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Title: Former area Liberal candidate Gerry Hawes facing child porn charges
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Date: 2020-06-13 10:28:55
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And then we have this clown.

https://nationalpost.com/news/liberal-m ... harassment

Maybe it's time for the Liberal Party and the PM to stop trying to give the impression they hold the moral high ground because it's becoming more and more apparent that they've got no right to it.

Sadly in today's society, there are people calling all police officers animals and thugs. Well allow me to point out that in the name of fairness you can't and shouldn't tar everyone in an organization with the same brush.

But, if we're going to continue down that road we need to apply the same standards of acceptable conduct to the accusers as the accused. So, now might just be the time to consider that, if the police are all bad and must be disbanded or defunded because of the actions of a few it may be time to disband or defund the Liberal Party because of the actions of a few.


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There are people like this in every political party.


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Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
And then we have this clown.

https://nationalpost.com/news/liberal-m ... harassment

Maybe it's time for the Liberal Party and the PM to stop trying to give the impression they hold the moral highground because it's becoming more and more apparent that they've got no right to it.

Sadly people are calling all police officers animals and thugs. Well allow me to point out that in the name of fairness you can't tar everyone in an organization with the same brush.

But, if we're going to continue down that road we need to apply the same standards of acceptable conduct to the accusers as the accused. So now might just be the time to consider that, if the police are bad and must be disbanded maybe it's time to disband the Liberal Party.


Apparently I'm more disgusted by child porn than one of the founders (and one of Stephen Harper's former advisors) of the CPC - remember this:

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“I certainly have no sympathy for child molesters, but I do have some grave doubts about putting people in jail because of their taste in pictures,” Tom Flanagan said Wednesday night during a small talk at the University of Lethbridge, later posted to YouTube.

...

“So it is a real issue of personal liberty, to what extent we put people in jail for doing something in which they do not harm another person,” Flanagan said.


Guess we should disband the CPC too if one of the founding members thought it was okay to look at kiddie porn.

Or we could just not build ridiculous strawmen and focus on the issue at hand.


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Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
And then we have this clown.

https://nationalpost.com/news/liberal-m ... harassment

Maybe it's time for the Liberal Party and the PM to stop trying to give the impression they hold the moral highground because it's becoming more and more apparent that they've got no right to it.

Sadly people are calling all police officers animals and thugs. Well allow me to point out that in the name of fairness you can't tar everyone in an organization with the same brush.

But, if we're going to continue down that road we need to apply the same standards of acceptable conduct to the accusers as the accused. So now might just be the time to consider that, if the police are bad and must be disbanded maybe it's time to disband the Liberal Party.


Apparently I'm more disgusted by child porn than one of the founders (and one of Stephen Harper's former advisors) of the CPC - remember this:

$1:
“I certainly have no sympathy for child molesters, but I do have some grave doubts about putting people in jail because of their taste in pictures,” Tom Flanagan said Wednesday night during a small talk at the University of Lethbridge, later posted to YouTube.

...

“So it is a real issue of personal liberty, to what extent we put people in jail for doing something in which they do not harm another person,” Flanagan said.


Guess we should disband the CPC too if one of the founding members thought it was okay to look at kiddie porn.

Or we could just not build ridiculous strawmen and focus on the issue at hand.


You do realise that Harper hasn't been the PM for over 5 years and is no longer a public servant. Besides this "topic at hand" you're inferring that I'm trying to deflect from is exactly what I'm talking about. The PM and the Liberal Party has painted every police officer, soldier, public servant and Gov't offical in Canada as a racist and tarred them all with the same brush but, when the Liberals are accused of crimes it suddenly shouldn't be discussed because it doesn't paint the Liberals in a positive light.

Well allow me to point out a few things. Harper wasn't the one so busy virtue signalling about how every gov't organization was inundated with "systemic racism" that he was completely oblivious to what was happening in his own caucus and party.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/marwan ... -1.5604757

I'm also pretty sure that it wasn't Harper who was front and center taking a knee in a BLM protest that broke public health orders and put others in danger of contracting a fatal virus. It also wasn't Harper who dressed up in black face multiple times and then when caught began lecturing the country on how we're all racists and it wasn't Harper who threw all police services under the bus by claiming that many Canadians didn't feel protected by the police.

I'm sorry but the task at hand is supposedly about righting injustices and moving forward. Well, after watching the Liberals Parties virtue signalling these last 3 months it's become quite apparent that our gov't has no problem with a double standard. For some reason they don't seem to understand that when you accuse people of things they're not guilty of it pisses them off and it puts your organization under a public microscope. A fact which means that you'd better be squeaky clean or you're going to get covered in the same crap your trying to paint the people you accused with.


And using the old Liberal standby, "but but but Harper" as a reason for your parties bad behaviour doesn't work because even the most devout party member can see that using that as an excuse is what a real "strawman" is.


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The PM and the Liberal Party has painted every police officer, soldier, public servant and Gov't offical in Canada as a racist and tarred them all with the same brush but, when the Liberals are accused of crimes it suddenly shouldn't be discussed because it doesn't paint the Liberals in a positive light.

Where did he do that?

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
Well allow me to point out a few things. Harper wasn't the one so busy virtue signalling about how every gov't organization was inundated with "systemic racism" that he was completely oblivious to what was happening in his own caucus and party.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/marwan ... -1.5604757

Wait so we're criticizing him for not constantly seeing if his MPs have an arrest record while he's in the middle of a pandemic, a struggling economy and national protests regarding police? How do you propose he should have found out?

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He's not even an MP... he's not part of the caucus. I can't even find anything that he currently works for the Liberal party. What the fuck does this have to do with Trudeau?

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I'm also pretty sure that it wasn't Harper who was front and center taking a knee in a BLM protest that broke public health orders and put others in danger of contracting a fatal virus.

Do you think that the protests wouldn't have happened if he weren't there?

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It also wasn't Harper who dressed up in black face multiple times and then when caught began lecturing the country on how we're all racists and it wasn't Harper who threw all police services under the bus by claiming that many Canadians didn't feel protected by the police.

Where did he say we're all racists? And many Canadians don't feel protected by the police. Go to virtually any native community and ask if they feel protected by the police. Just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean that isn't how many people feel. It doesn't even necessarily have to be a valid feeling, but he's not wrong that many people feel that.

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I'm sorry but the task at hand is supposedly about righting injustices and moving forward. Well, after watching the Liberals Parties virtue signalling these last 3 months it's become quite apparent that our gov't has no problem with a double standard.

3 months? What "virtue signalling" has he been doing for three months?


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The PM and the Liberal Party has painted every police officer, soldier, public servant and Gov't offical in Canada as a racist and tarred them all with the same brush but, when the Liberals are accused of crimes it suddenly shouldn't be discussed because it doesn't paint the Liberals in a positive light.

Where did he do that?

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
Well allow me to point out a few things. Harper wasn't the one so busy virtue signalling about how every gov't organization was inundated with "systemic racism" that he was completely oblivious to what was happening in his own caucus and party.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/marwan ... -1.5604757

Wait so we're criticizing him for not constantly seeing if his MPs have an arrest record while he's in the middle of a pandemic, a struggling economy and national protests regarding police? How do you propose he should have found out?

Edit:
He's not even an MP... he's not part of the caucus. I can't even find anything that he currently works for the Liberal party. What the fuck does this have to do with Trudeau?

$1:
I'm also pretty sure that it wasn't Harper who was front and center taking a knee in a BLM protest that broke public health orders and put others in danger of contracting a fatal virus.


Do you think that the protests wouldn't have happened if he weren't there?

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It also wasn't Harper who dressed up in black face multiple times and then when caught began lecturing the country on how we're all racists and it wasn't Harper who threw all police services under the bus by claiming that many Canadians didn't feel protected by the police.

Where did he say we're all racists? And many Canadians don't feel protected by the police. Go to virtually any native community and ask if they feel protected by the police. Just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean that isn't how many people feel. It doesn't even necessarily have to be a valid feeling, but he's not wrong that many people feel that.

$1:
I'm sorry but the task at hand is supposedly about righting injustices and moving forward. Well, after watching the Liberals Parties virtue signalling these last 3 months it's become quite apparent that our gov't has no problem with a double standard.

3 months? What "virtue signalling" has he been doing for three months?






In order to not have to repeat myself over and over and to head off the rest of the left wing crowd on here with their pitchforks and torches allow me to answer some of your questions even though I don't like to answer cut and paste posts.

First off his own Health Officer and the one in the province in which he resides had issued orders for social distancing enforcment even going so far as to consider fines, and jail to ensure these orders were complied with. The only time face masks are to be used is "when social distancing is impossible". So unless the protest was mandatory and Trudeau was required by law to attend then the excuse that he was wearing a mask is ridiculous.

Health orders are actual orders not recommendations. But instead of choosing to lead by example and making his statements from the safety of his tent he chose to virtue signal by joining people who consciously chose to break the Health Order and even then he screwed that up by using the wrong knee.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... ce-social/

But I guess you're still buying his claim that he prorogued parliament to keep people safe while he then goes out and attends a rally with thousands of other people. And yes the protests would have occurred even if he wasn't there but by being there he gave it a sense of legitimacy that he had no right to do especially since the protesters were technically breaking the law.

As for the claim that one of the men in question isn't a member of the Liberal party I don't think you bothered opening the link because if you had you'd have noticed that I posted along with the pervert about Marwan Tabbara who is a member of parliament and a member of Trudeau's caucus.

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The Liberal MP for Kitchener South-Hespeler, Marwan Tabbara, said Friday he will "step back" from the Liberal caucus as he faces charges of assault, break and enter and criminal harassment.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchene ... -1.5600270

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"No one in my party or my organization knew anything about them until Friday," Trudeau said.


So if he isn't lying through his teeth could you explain how he doesn't have a clue about what's happening in his own caucus?

But on the plus side I'm waiting for this one to rear it's ugly head because this is just as troubling as the previous two clowns actions.

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When François-Philippe Champagne was promoted to minister of foreign affairs in a Cabinet shuffle last November, he received his marching orders from Justin Trudeau in the form of a mandate letter.

“The arrangement of your private affairs should bear the closest public scrutiny,” Champagne was advised. “This is an obligation that is not fully discharged by simply acting within the law.”


So he's telling his ministers that they have to be able to stand up to the closest public scrutiny but he personally doesn't have a clue what his party members are doing. :roll:

Do you honestly believe that?

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/franco ... n-mortgage

As for the pervert. I couldn't give a shit whether he was a member of caucus or not he's still a high ranking Liberal and while Trudeau likely had no inkling of what this asshole was up to it shows that he has surrounded himself with less than ethical and moral people which would indicate a lack of good judgement on his part.

As for my claim about him virtue signalling for the last 3 months, you;re right. It wasn't the last 3 months. It's been the last 5 years that Mr. Peoplekind has been virtue signalling.

But thanks for not blaming Harper for Trudeau and the Liberals indiscretions because it's becoming tiresome typing the timeline of Canadian PM's over and over again.


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Every caucus has its problems. As we have seen many times before with other governments, the leader can’t know everything.


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Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
In order to not have to repeat myself over and over and to head off the rest of the left wing crowd on here with their pitchforks and torches allow me to answer some of your questions even though I don't like to answer cut and paste posts.

First off his own Health Officer and the one in the province in which he resides had issued orders for social distancing enforcment even going so far as to consider fines, and jail to ensure these orders were complied with. The only time face masks are to be used is "when social distancing is impossible". So unless the protest was mandatory and Trudeau was required by law to attend then the excuse that he was wearing a mask is ridiculous.

Health orders are actual orders not recommendations. But instead of choosing to lead by example and making his statements from the safety of his tent he chose to virtue signal by joining people who consciously chose to break the Health Order and even then he screwed that up by using the wrong knee.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... ce-social/

You know how I know it doesn't matter what he does? You think there is a right and wrong knee. There isn't.

Lets be realistic here. You don't give a shit about health orders. You just don't like the protests and you don't like Trudeau. So you're using them for your own political hackery.

$1:
As for the claim that one of the men in question isn't a member of the Liberal party I don't think you bothered opening the link because if you had you'd have noticed that I posted along with the pervert about Marwan Tabbara who is a member of parliament and a member of Trudeau's caucus.

Ah, that's the confusion. Cause this also just happened:

https://globalnews.ca/news/7059810/simc ... rnography/

That's my mistake.

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So if he isn't lying through his teeth could you explain how he doesn't have a clue about what's happening in his own caucus?
Because the police didn't publicize the arrest.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchene ... -1.5609272

So how do you propose he's supposed to know? Should he be reviewing all arrests conducted by the police or something?

$1:
So he's telling his ministers that they have to be able to stand up to the closest public scrutiny but he personally doesn't have a clue what his party members are doing. :roll:

Do you honestly believe that?

So how was he supposed to know? I'd love for you to justify time and effort during everything that's going on checking police records constantly just in the event one of the MPs is arrested. That's literally bonkers.

$1:
As for the pervert. I couldn't give a shit whether he was a member of caucus or not he's still a high ranking Liberal and while Trudeau likely had no inkling of what this asshole was up to it shows that he has surrounded himself with less than ethical and moral people which would indicate a lack of good judgement on his part.

A lack of good judgement? You're aware that it can be virtually impossible to tell someone does this kind of thing on the surface right? I get you will criticize Trudeau for literally anything, but sometimes it's a little over the top.
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As for my claim about him virtue signalling for the last 3 months, you;re right. It wasn't the last 3 months. It's been the last 5 years that Mr. Peoplekind has been virtue signalling.
So he hasn't done anything the last 3 months, and you're now deflecting. Thanks for admitting it.
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But thanks for not blaming Harper for Trudeau and the Liberals indiscretions because it's becoming tiresome typing the timeline of Canadian PM's over and over again.

Harper has nothing to do with anything.

You also didn't say where he vilified everyone in the country. I'm waiting on that one. Cause that's a bold claim.


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Sunnyways Sunnyways:
Every caucus has its problems. As we have seen many times before with other governments, the leader can’t know everything.


Nope you're absolutely right but you'd think that the people Mr. Trudeau surrounded himself with like Mr. Marwan the accused would have had the decency to tell him and his collegues about his arrest.

But oddly enough it's not the PM who's at fault in the Marwan case and I stand corrected on that fact. It's actually the Guelph Police Department who, withheld the information about his arrest till someone in the news media dug it up. A fact which indicate preferential treatment for some strange reason especially with charges that serious.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchene ... -1.5609272


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Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
In order to not have to repeat myself over and over and to head off the rest of the left wing crowd on here with their pitchforks and torches allow me to answer some of your questions even though I don't like to answer cut and paste posts.

First off his own Health Officer and the one in the province in which he resides had issued orders for social distancing enforcment even going so far as to consider fines, and jail to ensure these orders were complied with. The only time face masks are to be used is "when social distancing is impossible". So unless the protest was mandatory and Trudeau was required by law to attend then the excuse that he was wearing a mask is ridiculous.

Health orders are actual orders not recommendations. But instead of choosing to lead by example and making his statements from the safety of his tent he chose to virtue signal by joining people who consciously chose to break the Health Order and even then he screwed that up by using the wrong knee.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... ce-social/

You know how I know it doesn't matter what he does? You think there is a right and wrong knee. There isn't.

Lets be realistic here. You don't give a shit about health orders. You just don't like the protests and you don't like Trudeau. So you're using them for your own political hackery.

$1:
As for the claim that one of the men in question isn't a member of the Liberal party I don't think you bothered opening the link because if you had you'd have noticed that I posted along with the pervert about Marwan Tabbara who is a member of parliament and a member of Trudeau's caucus.

Ah, that's the confusion. Cause this also just happened:

https://globalnews.ca/news/7059810/simc ... rnography/

That's my mistake.

$1:
So if he isn't lying through his teeth could you explain how he doesn't have a clue about what's happening in his own caucus?
Because the police didn't publicize the arrest.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchene ... -1.5609272

So how do you propose he's supposed to know? Should he be reviewing all arrests conducted by the police or something?

$1:
So he's telling his ministers that they have to be able to stand up to the closest public scrutiny but he personally doesn't have a clue what his party members are doing. :roll:

Do you honestly believe that?

So how was he supposed to know? I'd love for you to justify time and effort during everything that's going on checking police records constantly just in the event one of the MPs is arrested. That's literally bonkers.

$1:
As for the pervert. I couldn't give a shit whether he was a member of caucus or not he's still a high ranking Liberal and while Trudeau likely had no inkling of what this asshole was up to it shows that he has surrounded himself with less than ethical and moral people which would indicate a lack of good judgement on his part.

A lack of good judgement? You're aware that it can be virtually impossible to tell someone does this kind of thing on the surface right? I get you will criticize Trudeau for literally anything, but sometimes it's a little over the top.
$1:
As for my claim about him virtue signalling for the last 3 months, you;re right. It wasn't the last 3 months. It's been the last 5 years that Mr. Peoplekind has been virtue signalling.
So he hasn't done anything the last 3 months, and you're now deflecting. Thanks for admitting it.
$1:
But thanks for not blaming Harper for Trudeau and the Liberals indiscretions because it's becoming tiresome typing the timeline of Canadian PM's over and over again.

Harper has nothing to do with anything.

You also didn't say where he vilified everyone in the country. I'm waiting on that one. Cause that's a bold claim.


I'm still looking through my posts for the term "vilified" and I can't find it and if it isn't in the post I can only assume you've decided to inject words into my posts in order to validate your position.

So for the record. He didn't vilify everyone in the country he was very selective and only vilified the RCMP, the Military, the Public Service and every other Bureaucrat and member of gov't with his unproven accusations.

Also nice try with the "your deflecting" but in fairness to you. I was wrong about Mr. Trudeau virtue signalling for 3 months because he's been doing it for the last 5 years.

As for saying that I'm using the PM's participating in the protest because I hate protesters and the PM, well you'd be wrong. I do hate our PM but, knowing I grew up in the 60's understand that I don't hate the protesters. I just hate when their actions turn into riots which happens far to often. So, if pointing out the hypocrisy of our PM's actions is political hackery then so be it because I have no intention of stopping. I told andyt 5 years ago that when Trudeau got elected i'd give him and his gov't props for doing the right thing and i'd crap all over him for doing wrong which is what i'm doing.

So, the only real problem we have between us is optics. From where I stand and after seeing your lack of comment on his actions for the past 5 years it would appear that you're willing to accept his ethics violations, his continual virtue signalling and his attempts to prorogue democracy in our country where as I'm not. [B-o]


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Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
I'm still looking through my posts for the term "vilified" and I can't find it and if it isn't in the post I can only assume you've decided to inject words into my posts in order to validate your position.

So for the record. He didn't vilify everyone in the country he was very selective and only vilified the RCMP, the Military, the Public Service and every other Bureaucrat and member of gov't with his unproven accusations.

Except that's not what you said.

$1:
It also wasn't Harper who dressed up in black face multiple times and then when caught began lecturing the country on how we're all racists and it wasn't Harper who threw all police services under the bus by claiming that many Canadians didn't feel protected by the police.

You clearly didn't do a good job looking through your posts when it's on the same page.
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Also nice try with the "your deflecting" but in fairness to you. I was wrong about Mr. Trudeau virtue signalling for 3 months because he's been doing it for the last 5 years.
Again, deflection. He hasn't been virtue signalling for the last three months, and you can't present where he has been and you're mad your got called on it. Next.

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As for saying that I'm using the PM's participating in the protest because I hate protesters and the PM, well you'd be wrong. I do hate our PM but, knowing I grew up in the 60's understand that I don't hate the protesters. I just hate when their actions turn into riots which happens far to often. So, if pointing out the hypocrisy of our PM's actions is political hackery then so be it because I have no intention of stopping. I told andyt 5 years ago that when Trudeau got elected i'd give him and his gov't props for doing the right thing and i'd crap all over him for doing wrong which is what i'm doing.

Like kneeling "on the wrong knee"? Please, that ranks up there with Fox going after Obama for wearing a helmet or a tan suit.

If I'm honest I'm genuinely conflicted on him appearing in the protest. I think it's smart of him to be supporting the protest, and to have been seen there under any other circumstance would be a positive. But with the pandemic I am struggling to decide which one takes priority.

Now the fact that the vast majority of people are wearing masks at these protests will actually do a significant job at limiting any spread. So it's a risk, but it's a mitigated one. I'm still not sure if that's enough.

$1:
So, the only real problem we have between us is optics. From where I stand and after seeing your lack of comment on his actions for the past 5 years it would appear that you're willing to accept his ethics violations, his continual virtue signalling and his attempts to prorogue democracy in our country where as I'm not. [B-o]

Actually I shit on him for his ethics violations. I shit on him for everything regarding SNC Lavalin. Because unlike you, I'm not a hack. Hell, I didn't even vote for him in the last election.

As for virtue signalling, you tell me what virtue signalling is. I truthfully don't get what it is. Is it virtue signalling to say that we need to take a hard look at how police treat people of colour? You tell me what you deem "virtue signalling".


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Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
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Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
And then we have this clown.

https://nationalpost.com/news/liberal-m ... harassment

Maybe it's time for the Liberal Party and the PM to stop trying to give the impression they hold the moral highground because it's becoming more and more apparent that they've got no right to it.

Sadly people are calling all police officers animals and thugs. Well allow me to point out that in the name of fairness you can't tar everyone in an organization with the same brush.

But, if we're going to continue down that road we need to apply the same standards of acceptable conduct to the accusers as the accused. So now might just be the time to consider that, if the police are bad and must be disbanded maybe it's time to disband the Liberal Party.


Apparently I'm more disgusted by child porn than one of the founders (and one of Stephen Harper's former advisors) of the CPC - remember this:

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“I certainly have no sympathy for child molesters, but I do have some grave doubts about putting people in jail because of their taste in pictures,” Tom Flanagan said Wednesday night during a small talk at the University of Lethbridge, later posted to YouTube.

...

“So it is a real issue of personal liberty, to what extent we put people in jail for doing something in which they do not harm another person,” Flanagan said.


Guess we should disband the CPC too if one of the founding members thought it was okay to look at kiddie porn.

Or we could just not build ridiculous strawmen and focus on the issue at hand.


You do realise that Harper hasn't been the PM for over 5 years and is no longer a public servant.


Completely fucking irrelevant - according to your 'logic', we should disband the Liberal party because a failed candidate is facing charges for having kiddie porn.

Therefore, with that same silly logic, the Conservative Party of Canada should have been disbanded in 2013 when one of its founding members said looking at kiddie porn was okay.

As I said, it's a ridiculous strawman you created to try and score some silly partisan points.

The same attempt at scoring partisan points applies to the rest of your 'argument' here.

What's really hypocritical is that you're often one of the first to bitch about media labelling a perpetrator as a soldier or cop, but you have no problem doing the exact same thing with politicians you don't like.


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