[PJB]

Donny is stuck in the past. His ideals are onesided. His version of equality has so many strings attached that it is impossible to figure out exactly what he is trying to say. Firstly he says that natives just want the same standard of living as the average Canadian and then he turns around and says that natives are entitled to benefits the rest of us are not. Talk about a double standard. He also is infatuated with blaming every woe that natives have ever hand on the whiteman. Never a possibility of natives bringing it on themselves.

I take him with a grain of salt.

[Mustang1]

PJB wrote:

Donny is stuck in the past. His ideals are onesided. His version of equality has so many strings attached that it is impossible to figure out exactly what he is trying to say. Firstly he says that natives just want the same standard of living as the average Canadian and then he turns around and says that natives are entitled to benefits the rest of us are not. Talk about a double standard. He also is infatuated with blaming every woe that natives have ever hand on the whiteman. Never a possibility of natives bringing it on themselves.

I take him with a grain of salt.

Donny's stuck in ignorance. He knows nothing about the past or how to examine it with an eye to the present. He makes outrageous claims - due in large part to his bigotry towards "Canadians" - lacks basic knowledge or understanding of his own rhetoric and then, hypocritically, demands others provide facts to prove their point, when really, it's his that needs substantiating. He's no different than those that push other revisionist dreck in that he's a liar, an intellectual coward and an agenda-pusher.

[Gunnair]

Donny_Brasco wrote:

Gunnair wrote:

Donny_Brasco wrote:

So what part of that does not apply to First Nations of Canada?

You're still here on the forums bitching, your people are on the reserves where they volunteered to go to and recieiving handouts from treaties you voluntarily signed, and your rights are constitutionally enshrined.

Which means you're still here and have not been systematically exterminated.

Idiot.

1) We are still here, as are the Jews

Everytime you invoke the Jews, you cheapen your argument. Stop - it makes you look like a fool trying to hang on the coat tails of a real genocide.

[Mustang1]

Gunnair wrote:

Everytime you invoke the Jews, you cheapen your argument. Stop - it makes you look like a fool trying to hang on the coat tails of a real genocide.

Oh, you mean the real genocide that meets CPPCG criteria, has an enormous amount of supporting evidence and has met a consensus among serious, legitimate scholars as being a systematic intention to annihilate a group of people. That genocide. No, Donny doesn't know what genocide is, so he belittles other true victims with his revisionist muck. Your point is dead on correct.

[Gunnair]

lily wrote:

I think everyone knows we're not talking about genocide in the literal sense, but cultural genocide.

Let's all stop being so pedantic and get on with discussing the topic.

I wonder how many people have noticed that Donny hasn't risen to the bait at all.... no matter what's been thrown at him, he's responded with diplomacy, even conceding points here and there. How's about granting him the same in return?

New year and all.

Hardly diplomacy.

Quote:

HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR and I hope your new your is just as miserable as the rest of your life has been!

(Not even sure who that bit of diplomacy was addressed to really)

Anyway, I wouldn't call it pedantic. He had the opertunity several times to modify his claim away from true genocide and each time he came punchdrunk and swinging like a windmill.

[ShepherdsDog]

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Thank God that these people had better sense then to listen to their own people and broke their own laws to help us survive.

This little bit of Buffalo Shit still hasn't been addressed. What laws did we have stating that someone couldn't assist natives? A policy of assimilation and one of extermination aren't comparable, so Donny need not link his people to the Jews and their experiences.

[jason700]

I agree with Lily. Besides his throwing in the G-word, Donny has made some pretty good arguments here.

[Mustang1]

Gunnair, Shep, Brenda and PJB are all wrong?!?!? Nope. Donny is patently full of crap regarding genocide (and no, for the record, he hasn't conceded anything despite the fact it's been demonstrated he's wrong), Native history and the complexities of North American post-Contact.

[Dayseed]

Lily,

The problem with reducing Donny's use of genocide to "cultural genocide" both cheapens real genocides and means that we have to work off of other people's personalized lexicons.

It's no different than somebody who calls Stephen Harper a Nazi because he wants tougher jail sentences for young offenders. To me, the term "cultural genocide" is meant to invoke an emotional response first, logical analysis second. But Donny fails horribly when it comes to having his rhetoric stand up to scrutiny.

Even mighty Cicero, one of my heroes, backed up his rhetoric with bona fides.

[PJB]

Lily...Please define 'Native Culture'. It is my understanding that the various tribes of Indians had their own cutural diversity, they had their own traditions. There is not one native culture.

[PJB]

Lily. If there is not one true Native Culture then how can there be a Cultural Genocide? I suppose there cannot be.

[PJB]

Donny's intent is to blame the rest of Canada for all the woes of the natives in this country, once again he plays the race card and attempts to blame us for something that didn't happen. Yet he claims he can prove it. You can defend what he says because, on those rare occasions, he has some good points and,as usual, tends to wonder off topic in an attempt to show his itelligence.

Now if that is being picky then I guess I am being picky. Just as long as you can weed through his rhetoric and see his true agenda.

[PJB]

Lily...Not once did I use the term Cutural Genocide other than to question it's existance. Check out how many times Donny used that term.

[PJB]

All I question is Donny's integrity. This topic was about education grants for First Nations students and as usual Donny has taken it over and changed it to one of what we owe natives. It is typical of him.

[PJB]

No. The responses to him are pretty much the same no matter where he posts because it is always the same stuff. We ask for proof which he cannot provide and then he goes off on a tangent changing topics. Check out any topic that he has ever been asked to provide proof and see where the conversation goes.