[PJB]

Donny...I asked you a question previously and I would respect your response. I am not going to get into a treaty discussion with you as the treaties are open to a wide array of interpretations. The courts in this country are stuck on being politically correct so they are biased.

[Donny_Brasco]

PJB wrote:

Welcome back Donny...How's the new truck? Hope you had a great Christmas. So what do you think of my idea of establishing a scholarship type program instead of giving the bands control of the post-secondary education funds? I think it would benefit students that really want to persue post-secondary education.

Any ideas on the selection process?

There is already a process. Handing over control over who gets into school to a non-First Nation body is not going to happen.

People get into University based on merit and ability. Many do not. Each band in entitled to a certian amount of money each year for that purpose.

[PJB]

wtf...What is with the double post! Sorry folks

[PJB]

Donny...I did not imply that any selection process would be made by a non-native committee. I ask you how much money that is given to the bands directly gets to the students and how much of it is diverted to other band programs? Last year there were teachers in Grand Rapids that did not get paid because the funds designated for education were spent elsewhere.

[Donny_Brasco]

PJB wrote:

Donny...I asked you a question previously and I would respect your response. I am not going to get into a treaty discussion with you as the treaties are open to a wide array of interpretations. The courts in this country are stuck on being politically correct so they are biased.

It is called the "Honour of the Crown". It is difficult for a Nation to function on an international stage if their government's reputation is diminished.

All contracts with the Crown (and in general) should be interpreted as if they were signed in good faith.

That is not just politically correct, it is legally and morally correct.

[Donny_Brasco]

PJB wrote:

Donny...I did not imply that any selection process would be made by a non-native committee. I ask you how much money that is given to the bands directly gets to the students and how much of it is diverted to other band programs? Last year there were teachers in Grand Rapids that did not get paid because the funds designated for education were spent elsewhere.

I don't know.

When the fishermen or the farmers or any other group gets funding there is a certain amount of money spent to get that money to them.

Some bands pool their resources to get their education funding to their students more efficiently. But then they risk losing a little bit when it comes to choosing which students get funding.

But at least the dollars spend administering the education programs are spent employing Native people or at least non-Native people working for Native people.

The big problem, well at least it was a few years ago, was the amount of dollars INAC took to administer all of the programs. I understand a certain amount of money is lost in the bureaucracy. I don’t understand why that bureaucracy employs so few Aboriginal people when that is who they are serving.

[PJB]

There ya go Donny...Not enough money...Fine..How much is enough? So, if the funds were sent directly to the actual instiution rather than 'pooled' and spent as the chief deems fit then would that not increase the number of students that could attend. Perhaps you are stuck in the communal ideals that allow chiefs to dole out monies where he/she sees fit.

I guess you are far better than my child who has to go through the process and apply and actually attend school in order to get an education because the funds are sent to the school rather than some other corrupt bunch. Why an I supposed to feel sorry for a kid that cannot attend school because the band that he/she belongs too feels that the money earmarked for their education is better spent womewhere else.

[Donny_Brasco]

There is a process. You need the marks and you need to get accepted into the school that you wish to attend.

There are many students who do not get funding for whatever reason and get student loans or rely on other means to pay for their education.

And yet both groups have to put up with your ignorant kids remarks about how we are getting free education when they have no clue that that education is in return for sharing our land with the ungrateful likes of you.

And where is "womwhere"?

[Donny_Brasco]

PJB wrote:

There ya go Donny...Not enough money...Fine..How much is enough? So, if the funds were sent directly to the actual instiution rather than 'pooled' and spent as the chief deems fit then would that not increase the number of students that could attend. Perhaps you are stuck in the communal ideals that allow chiefs to dole out monies where he/she sees fit.

Because we have the right to make our own decisions.

Don't the PMs and the Premiers and Mayors doll out money as they see fit? It is called government. That is their right, same as it is our government's right to do the same.

If that bothers you maybe you should learn the serenity prayer.

[Brenda]

Do you pay taxes to YOUR government?

[PJB]

Donny..When I am paying for it I demand to know that it is being spent where it should be. It is called accountability! A word that many native chiefs do not grasp or tend to ignore! I would think that the very students that are smart enough to attend University and are denied because the band misspent the funds designated for them would stand up and say something but they listen to the likes of you that insist that the rest of Canada should just come up with more cash!

[Gunnair]

Donny_Brasco wrote:

PJB wrote:

Donny...I asked you a question previously and I would respect your response. I am not going to get into a treaty discussion with you as the treaties are open to a wide array of interpretations. The courts in this country are stuck on being politically correct so they are biased.

It is called the "Honour of the Crown". It is difficult for a Nation to function on an international stage if their government's reputation is diminished.

All contracts with the Crown (and in general) should be interpreted as if they were signed in good faith.

That is not just politically correct, it is legally and morally correct.

http://www.caledoniawakeupcall.com/smuggling/smuggling.html

http://www.nationalpost.com/scripts/story.html?id=71072c7a-75d8-407a-a89d-7e54f01441b9&k=27250

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/extract/326/7389/570/f

http://www.policeone.com/gangs/articles/78182-Crime-Gangs-Take-Free-Roam-on-Canada-Indian-Reserves/

Please don't thump the legal and moral bible - it's sickening.

[uwish]

lily wrote:

RUEZ wrote:

I agree with Brenda. We either pay for everyone or no one.

I agree as well... except you can't just pull a benefit without sufficient "warning".

y not? the liberals crushed the UI program to a more "friendlier" EI program than includes many cuts in benefits.

So..they can do it to everyone BUT Aboriginals? Think not..

[Donny_Brasco]

Gunnair wrote:

Donny_Brasco wrote:

PJB wrote:

Donny...I asked you a question previously and I would respect your response. I am not going to get into a treaty discussion with you as the treaties are open to a wide array of interpretations. The courts in this country are stuck on being politically correct so they are biased.

It is called the "Honour of the Crown". It is difficult for a Nation to function on an international stage if their government's reputation is diminished.

All contracts with the Crown (and in general) should be interpreted as if they were signed in good faith.

That is not just politically correct, it is legally and morally correct.

http://www.caledoniawakeupcall.com/smuggling/smuggling.html

http://www.nationalpost.com/scripts/story.html?id=71072c7a-75d8-407a-a89d-7e54f01441b9&k=27250

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/extract/326/7389/570/f

http://www.policeone.com/gangs/articles/78182-Crime-Gangs-Take-Free-Roam-on-Canada-Indian-Reserves/

Please don't thump the legal and moral bible - it's sickening.

Quote:

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police have charged several Canadian and American tobacco companies and eight current and former senior executives with fraud for allegedly smuggling cigarettes from the United States into Canada and so evading $C1.2bn (£0.51bn; $0.81bn; €0.74bn) in uncollected duties and taxes.

Criminals are criminals. White, Red, Black or Purple.

Or were you implying Natives are the senior executives at these tobacco companies?

Both of us have criminals that are the same colour as us. Don't lump all of my people with the criminal element of my society and I'll try not to do the same.

And I'll pretend your post was not meant to be a racist, prejudice jab against me and the good people I work with.

[Donny_Brasco]

PJB wrote:

Donny..When I am paying for it I demand to know that it is being spent where it should be. It is called accountability! A word that many native chiefs do not grasp or tend to ignore! I would think that the very students that are smart enough to attend University and are denied because the band misspent the funds designated for them would stand up and say something but they listen to the likes of you that insist that the rest of Canada should just come up with more cash!

Actually there is plenty of accountability. There are reports upon reports that need to be filed to INAC and the feds. You wonder where all the money is going and insist on accountability that is already there...then some redneck MP gets the impression that there is no accountability and gets us filling another report out that generally never gets read.

There are 700-800 bands in Canada, and in general 85% of them are pretty good at being accountable. 10-13% need third party help and a few are complete fuckups.

Your money, in general, instead of getting to kids who want education, is being spent on the endless reports you want to make sure the money is getting where it is going...and it isn't when we have to pay $100,000 a year from my band to do these redundant reports that no one reads anyways because they know we have our shit wired tight.

Times that by lets say 600 bands they all have 2 people in their offices just filling out your reports - that's 600*100,000 = $60,000,000

My band could send another 200 kids through post secondary if we didn't have so many reports to fill our because rednecks like you hear about one or two bands that mess up and figure all of us Indians need to be more accountable.

You obviously have no clue besides what you read in the paper and/or talk to your buddies about.

And that is where your money is going. Every year we spend $60 million plus making sure that ne pennies fall through the cracks, would you like to spend more?