[Newsbot]

Title: Gay Marriage Begins Today in California
Category: Uncle Sam
Posted By: westmanguy
Date: 2008-06-16 19:00:16

[westmanguy]

wow this fills me with so much joy and happiness. California is the size of Canada, this is huge.

I'm so proud that Canada has gay marriage, but it just fills me with emotion when more jurisdiction adds it.

I hope and pray the November Proposition vote on a constitutional amendment is defeated outright.

2 states down, 48 to go.

[tritium]

Personally, and nothing against queers, but I don't agree with gay marriage.

The family unit is already fractured with both parents working and NO real family unit left.

What happen to Sunday dinner and the whole family sitting down together, the mother, father and children, or Sunday dinner in the living room with a good Walt Disney program.

Then again, I like the 50's style family and erra and wish time could be turned back to a more humble time. (and less population on earth)

Look at great actors such as Randolph Scott and Rock Hudson, they didn't find a need to flaut their sexuality, and it was nobody's business what they did in their bedroom, or with whom.

[RUEZ]

tritium wrote:

Personally, and nothing against queers, but I don't agree with gay marriage.

The family unit is already fractured with both parents working and NO real family unit left.

Coming from Mr. divorce himself. Nice.

[DerbyX]

Thats often the point.

It isn't about "fracturing" the family unti but creating stable ones.

Stable, legally binding and law protected unions that provide the same stability and protection for both partners, parents, and children.

The ability to make descions in cases of emergeny as detailed by law.

Disposition of the estate in the case of death.

The same protection under the law for children that children of straight marriages enjoy.

In short, equality.

[novachick]

tritium wrote:

Personally, and nothing against queers, don't agree with gay marriage.

The family unit is already fractured with both parents working and NO real family unit left.

What happen to Sunday dinner and the whole family sitting down together, the mother, father and children, or Sunday dinner in the living room with a good Walt Disney program.

Then again, I like the 50's style family and erra and wish time could be turned back to a more humble time. (and less population on earth)

Look at great actors such as Randolph Scott and Rock Hudson, they didn't find a need to flaut their sexuality, and it was nobody's business what they did in their bedroom, or with whom.

WTF "queers" . Damn I'm glad you don't get to define what constitutes a family. What happened to the 50's style era. Women stopped putting up with their husbands beating the crap out of them . Women realized they were still a family without a man present. Men realized they were still a family without a woman present.

[DerbyX]

novachick wrote:

WTF "queers" . Damn I'm glad you don't get to define what constitutes a family. What happened to the 50's style era. Women stopped putting up with their husbands beating the crap out of them . Women realized they were still a family without a man present. Men realized they were still a family without a woman present.

In short women discovered a new range of battery operated devices and men discovered sheep could be made to smell pretty.

[RUEZ]

DerbyX wrote:

novachick wrote:

WTF "queers" . Damn I'm glad you don't get to define what constitutes a family. What happened to the 50's style era. Women stopped putting up with their husbands beating the crap out of them . Women realized they were still a family without a man present. Men realized they were still a family without a woman present.

In short women discovered a new range of battery operated devices and men discovered sheep could be made to smell pretty.

[novachick]

DerbyX wrote:

novachick wrote:

WTF "queers" . Damn I'm glad you don't get to define what constitutes a family. What happened to the 50's style era. Women stopped putting up with their husbands beating the crap out of them . Women realized they were still a family without a man present. Men realized they were still a family without a woman present.

In short women discovered a new range of battery operated devices and men discovered sheep could be made to smell pretty.

[DerbyX]

novachick wrote:

DerbyX wrote:

novachick wrote:

WTF "queers" . Damn I'm glad you don't get to define what constitutes a family. What happened to the 50's style era. Women stopped putting up with their husbands beating the crap out of them . Women realized they were still a family without a man present. Men realized they were still a family without a woman present.

In short women discovered a new range of battery operated devices and men discovered sheep could be made to smell pretty.

A woman got it and a man didn't.

If thats not a commentary on the difference of the sexes I don't know what is.

[tritium]

RUEZ wrote:

tritium wrote:

Personally, and nothing against queers, but I don't agree with gay marriage.

The family unit is already fractured with both parents working and NO real family unit left.

Coming from Mr. divorce himself. Nice.

Yes, but I was raised in a home where my father worked, my mother was a stay and home mom, 2 sisters and myself.

upper "upper" middle class lifestyle.

Yes, I'm divorced twice, no kids not by choice, but because I was unlucky and had the mumps at a young age, in short shooting blanks.

But when I see a family, at times I am sad that I couldn't have the same.

My divorces do not negate my feelings as to what I precieve as the perfect family unit is or should be.

[RUEZ]

Two loving Mom's or two loving Dad's couldn't be worse than some of the families out there, including the one I grew up in.

[DerbyX]

tritium wrote:

RUEZ wrote:

tritium wrote:

Personally, and nothing against queers, but I don't agree with gay marriage.

The family unit is already fractured with both parents working and NO real family unit left.

Coming from Mr. divorce himself. Nice.

Yes, but I was raised in a home where my father worked, my mother was a stay and home mom, 2 sisters and myself.

upper "upper" middle class lifestyle.

Yes, I'm divorced twice, no kids not by choice, but because I was unlucky and had the mumps at a young age, in short shooting blanks.

But when I see a family, at times I am sad that I couldn't have the same.

My divorces do not negate my feelings as to what I precieve as the perfect family unit is or should be.

There is no perfect family unit.

Your first mistake.

Your second is assuming that gay marriage somehow threatens straight families.

How would it? Would fathers say "well the gays can marry so I'm leaving you and the kids"?

Does it render "normal" families less of a family?

Saying that gay families impact negatively on the love of straight families is like saying that having multiple children simply divides parental love between their children.

[tritium]

novachick wrote:

WTF "queers" . Damn I'm glad you don't get to define what constitutes a family. What happened to the 50's style era. Women stopped putting up with their husbands beating the crap out of them . Women realized they were still a family without a man present. Men realized they were still a family without a woman present.

Hold on, you sure you're NOT my sister

Same line she gives me when we have this agrument.

You know not all husbands abused their wives and there were plenty of 50 year marriages with happy couples.

I'm not saying that it was 100% perfect, there was still segregation and lots of discrimination and racial divide.

But it was a more wholesome time in history.

[westmanguy]

Wow I don't want to get into a debate about this, but I can't leave what you said unchallenged...

1) 'Flaunting their sexuality'. Hmm, okay first of all when you're the majority, you can't be flaunting anything. Next off how many sluts woman do you see dressed half naked on the city streets? How come if its a man and woman sitting on a park bench holding hands its "aww isn't that nice?", but if its two guys doing the same thing, sitting on a park bench, holding hands, its called "flaunting their sexuality". Gimme a break. There are sluts and flaunters of sexuality in both gay and straight people.

2) Isn't this good for family? We have a big faction of the population - millions of people - who want to get married and adopt children (who have no homes)...how is that not pro-family?

Anyways as far as the way both parents are working now, and its not the typical stay-at-home mom, 8-5 dad working, thing is just how our society has moved forward, and has nothing to do with sexuality.

....here is what it's like for me, as a gay guy, when I hear people's reasons against gay marriage.

First of all, thankfully, we've come to the point, (where even right wing Republicans are in agreement) where most people support civil unions. The whole battle here is over the word "marriage", and here is why I get irritated...

Its like segregation...oh you're black? You can still attend school...you just have to go to *that* school, and while the rest of us majority whites go to this school.

Same thing, and thats how I see it...I can have a "civil union", but oh no, I can't be "married".

Its segregation.