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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:35 am
 


Stemmer do you recognize this car?

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do you know who builds it?

where it's built?

do you think the profits from this car stay in North America :lol:

wouldn't you call that an appliance :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:13 am
 


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North America needs more citizens like you Jeff... However it appears most applaud the demise of our manufacturing sector as they freely give money to Japan, China, Korea,..... So sad... I was told at a very early age family comes first and to always help family in times of need...

Cheers & God Bless


I've always had a firm belief in supporting the hard working Man in our own country before the factory in China pumping out cheap goods for large chain stores. Local business is a wonderful thing and I hope we one day see the rise of local small business again in our countries.


You two should walk into a Tim Hortons in Cambridge Ontario and give them the same speech, you'll probably be chewing asphalt in a couple of seconds.


Then those people are foolish and stupid to the folly of their own habits. If we keep pushing all our jobs and manufacturing outside of our own country the only jobs we will have left will be Wendy's and Tim Hortons.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:21 am
 


It's a Saturn Astra, built by Opel (a GM company) in Belgium...

So what's your point....? I wonder what would happen if GM tried to build a plant in Japan.....

If we loose the Big Three in NA, Japan will no longer to have any incentitives to manufacture cars in NA! How can you levy tariffs to protect an industry that doesn't exisit?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:56 am
 


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Then those people are foolish and stupid to the folly of their own habits. If we keep pushing all our jobs and manufacturing outside of our own country the only jobs we will have left will be Wendy's and Tim Hortons.


You missed his point - Cambridge has a massive Toyota plant and so does Woodstock. Those jobs are in CANADA right now, not Kansas or Michigan. Go to St. Thomas and ask them how working for Ford is right now.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:48 am
 


GM will probably declare bankruptcy protection this coming week as bond payments are due.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:30 am
 


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Then those people are foolish and stupid to the folly of their own habits. If we keep pushing all our jobs and manufacturing outside of our own country the only jobs we will have left will be Wendy's and Tim Hortons.


You missed his point - Cambridge has a massive Toyota plant and so does Woodstock. Those jobs are in CANADA right now, not Kansas or Michigan. Go to St. Thomas and ask them how working for Ford is right now.


What percentage of Toyota's, Nissan's, Honda's, Mitsubishi's etc are manufactured in NA, what percentage are imported? Now compare those statistics with GM, Ford, Chrysler.... OR is the point I'm making is over your head...

You can twist these stats around all you want to... Bottom line having NA manufacturing sector owned and run by foreign corporations will be undermining our sovereignty!!!!! AND it's not in our national interest to allow this to happen....


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:37 am
 


Why don't you let people buy what they want ? If they don't want GMs, so be it.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:44 am
 


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CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

Then those people are foolish and stupid to the folly of their own habits. If we keep pushing all our jobs and manufacturing outside of our own country the only jobs we will have left will be Wendy's and Tim Hortons.


You missed his point - Cambridge has a massive Toyota plant and so does Woodstock. Those jobs are in CANADA right now, not Kansas or Michigan. Go to St. Thomas and ask them how working for Ford is right now.


What percentage of Toyota's, Nissan's, Honda's, Mitsubishi's etc are manufactured in NA, what percentage are imported? Now compare those statistics with GM, Ford, Chrysler.... OR is the point I'm making is over your head...

You can twist these stats around all you want to... Bottom line having NA manufacturing sector owned and run by foreign corporations will be undermining our sovereignty!!!!! AND it's not in our national interest to allow this to happen....


Here's a better stat - how much of Ontario's auto manufacturing is Japanese? And what's that going to look like in 5 or 10 years when Oshawa is gone and St. Thomas is gone and Windsor is gone, but Cambridge, Alliston and Woodstock are all producing vehicles and employing Canadians.

Lose the fear-mongering and support Canadian jobs, not North American (which translates to American)


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:51 am
 


I just finished all 19 pages and the sheer idiocy of one particular person is amazing! He obviously has no idea what is domestic and what is foreign built in todays modern automotive marketplace.



Yes I am talking about you Stemmer!


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:01 am
 


It's quite obvious you don't know what's in the best interest of our national security and our national sovereignty...

I don't want our NA foreign policy dictated to by Brussells, Toyoko, Beging, etc....


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:07 am
 


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It's quite obvious you don't know what's in the best interest of our national security and our national sovereignty...

I don't want our NA foreign policy dictated to by Brussells, Toyoko, Beging, etc....


The proud winner of the "Foiler of the Day" award. With every post you confirm that you are as smart as a bag of hammers.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:28 am
 


AND all you can do is hurl personal insults and name call.... Where was Toyota's generosity when 9-11 occurred in NYC?

AND one more time... I'm not anti-Japanese, I'm pro North American... Quote one post of mine where I said foreigners were inferior, sneeky or sub-human...

We are in tough economic times and we must support our own industries and corporations. If you wish to purchase imports or from foreign corporations you should be free to do so but you must be prepared to suffer the possible consequences....





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AND all you can do is hurl personal insults and name call.... Where was Toyota's generosity when 9-11 occurred in NYC?

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here are some facts for the foiler..

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/a/ ... ations.htm.



Foreign Auto Manufacturers Are Not Donating to Victims of the Attack on America Despite Record Sales in the U.S.-Fiction!





Summary of eRumor:
This message says that although U.S. car manufacturers have donated generously to the victims of the Attack on America, the foreign car makers have not. Some versions of the message say the originator surfed the internet and checked out each company’s website to assemble the list. The eRumor closes with the suggestion that if you’re going to buy a car, buy American.
The Truth:
The donation picture could change as time goes by so these figures should not be taken as the final accounting, but they do clearly demonstrate that foreign car makers are helping the victims of 9/11.

FORD Motor Company
$1 million to the Red Cross. A pledge to match employee donations. $550,000 from the Ford Facilities and Dealer groups. $1 million from the UAW’s Ford National Programs unit.

General Motors
$1 million to the Red Cross. Sixty vehicles donated to relief effort. A pledge to match all employee donations.

Daimler Chrysler
$10 million to support the children of victims of the attacks. Additional fund raising among employees.

Harley Davidson
$1 million donation. Thirty new motorcycles for the New York police.

Volkswagen
$2 million to create a foundation for giving to relief activities. Twenty-five vans given to the New York Fire department.

Hyundai
$300,000 in donations.

Audi
$100,000 to New York firefighters.

BMW
$1 million to the American Red Cross. One-hundred motorcycles to NYPD and 10 SUVs.

Daewoo
Owned by General Motors, so a part of GM's activities.

Fiat
Partners with GM and does not sell cars in the U.S.

Honda
Nearly $1 million to the American Red Cross. An employee donation program. Eight ATV’s to NYPD. Twenty electrical generators to the Red Cross.

Isuzu
Employee and company donation program in both the U.S. and Japan.



Nissan
$1 million split between the Red Cross and the Twin Towers fund. Also matching employee donations.

Porsche
Devoting portions of funds collected from several fund-raising projects.

Subaru
$532,000 to the American Red Cross.

Suzuki
Matching employee donations. Has given 25 all-terrain vehicles and five SUVs.has donated 25 all-terrain vehicles and five four-wheel-drive SUVs,

Toyota
$1 million to the American Red Cross. Matching employee contributions. More than $800,000 from American affiliates.

Sources:


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AND all you can do is hurl personal insults and name call.... Where was Toyota's generosity when 9-11 occurred in NYC?

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here are some facts for the foiler..

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/a/ ... ations.htm.



Foreign Auto Manufacturers Are Not Donating to Victims of the Attack on America Despite Record Sales in the U.S.-Fiction!





Summary of eRumor:
This message says that although U.S. car manufacturers have donated generously to the victims of the Attack on America, the foreign car makers have not. Some versions of the message say the originator surfed the internet and checked out each company’s website to assemble the list. The eRumor closes with the suggestion that if you’re going to buy a car, buy American.
The Truth:
The donation picture could change as time goes by so these figures should not be taken as the final accounting, but they do clearly demonstrate that foreign car makers are helping the victims of 9/11.

FORD Motor Company
$1 million to the Red Cross. A pledge to match employee donations. $550,000 from the Ford Facilities and Dealer groups. $1 million from the UAW’s Ford National Programs unit.

General Motors
$1 million to the Red Cross. Sixty vehicles donated to relief effort. A pledge to match all employee donations.

Daimler Chrysler
$10 million to support the children of victims of the attacks. Additional fund raising among employees.

Harley Davidson
$1 million donation. Thirty new motorcycles for the New York police.

Volkswagen
$2 million to create a foundation for giving to relief activities. Twenty-five vans given to the New York Fire department.

Hyundai
$300,000 in donations.

Audi
$100,000 to New York firefighters.

BMW
$1 million to the American Red Cross. One-hundred motorcycles to NYPD and 10 SUVs.

Daewoo
Owned by General Motors, so a part of GM's activities.

Fiat
Partners with GM and does not sell cars in the U.S.

Honda
Nearly $1 million to the American Red Cross. An employee donation program. Eight ATV’s to NYPD. Twenty electrical generators to the Red Cross.

Isuzu
Employee and company donation program in both the U.S. and Japan.



Nissan
$1 million split between the Red Cross and the Twin Towers fund. Also matching employee donations.

Porsche
Devoting portions of funds collected from several fund-raising projects.

Subaru
$532,000 to the American Red Cross.

Suzuki
Matching employee donations. Has given 25 all-terrain vehicles and five SUVs.has donated 25 all-terrain vehicles and five four-wheel-drive SUVs,

Toyota
$1 million to the American Red Cross. Matching employee contributions. More than $800,000 from American affiliates.

Sources:


I'm sure foiler-boy will immediately discount the facts as they do not support his moronic view of the automotive industry.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:50 am
 


Why do you blokes insist on posting links to sources which are not credible? Anyone can post a link to some web page someone creates in the depths of their basement and posts it on the internet...

IF you must reference the web please reference reliable sources like AP, CBC, CTV, Global, National Post, BBC, ABC, NBC, PBS, CNN, Washington Post, NY Times and not some WIKI article or some page that is not accountable for the content....

Are you interested in finding the truth or simply finding information which supports your own theories and agendas?


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