[Johnny_Utah]

2Cdo wrote:

RUEZ wrote:

ManifestDestiny wrote:

Its the Unions fault they are closing in the first place

Maybe, but I think it has more to do with them producing vehicles that people don't want anymore.

Trucks are actually still selling quite well, SUV's on the other hand are starting to be refused as trade-ins by some dealers as they aren't selling. In the end, it's all about money. Trucks can be made in Mexico and the southern US cheaper then they can be made here.

There will always be a need for Trucks, Ford, GM and Dodge held that part of the market for a long time but now Nissan and Toyota are moving in fast..

[dog77_1999]

Knoss wrote:

I think unions are a big disadvantage for US automakers and it likely explains the move to areas without a union traditions. As a consumer I want GM to make trucks as cheap a spossible; I think it's good for Canada's ecconomy to import cheap vehicles.

There will continue to be small business demand for trucks, I would like to see trucks with better suspenions lower ride hieght and fewer exstened cabs, I think there will alwasy be dmenad for these vehicles.

They really are. It just isn't a level playing field when only the US carmakers have to deal with them. Added to the fact that GM also pays for its legacy employees, pension, and health care, the costs are just too much.

GM wants the Japanese style of employment. Everyone gets paid their good wages, but pay more for healthcare and it's their responsibility for retirement. I think there is a 401k plan also offered for everyone. This is very much the standard in the business world, the unions need to accept this.

[Freakinoldguy]

Maybe GM should be doing what Ford's doing. Cutting management wages by 15%.

Come to think of it most every other corporation should be doing the same. Alot of management is just plain overpaid and the excuse that you can't find good people for less money is wearing thin with both consumers and shareholders.

[Tricks]

Take a pay cut then maybe it won't shut down.

[dog77_1999]

Freakinoldguy wrote:

Maybe GM should be doing what Ford's doing. Cutting management wages by 15%.

Come to think of it most every other corporation should be doing the same. Alot of management is just plain overpaid and the excuse that you can't find good people for less money is wearing thin with both consumers and shareholders.

Oh there is plenty of people who can do the work for cheaper...in China, Mexico, the South. The problem is that the Union would strike until any of those plans are stopped.

And as much as you think that it is all lazy management, it isn't. This is a company who is just too big for the amount of cars it sells. It has been since 1980. They really have to cut alot of people and replace management.

[Knoss]

It's a mess. Are Toyota/Honda plants in Canada better? It would be good if other regions such as Atlantic Canada or the West has an easier time with labour.

[dog77_1999]

Knoss wrote:

It's a mess. Are Toyota/Honda plants in Canada better? It would be good if other regions such as Atlantic Canada or the West has an easier time with labour.

I would bet those plants are non-union, so they don't have to worry about retirement, huge health care costs, legacy retirees. They are better run companies as well with foresight into the future.

[Tricks]

Again, take a pay cut. These people are making almost 75 grand a year (not including over time) for doing a job that requires little education. Plus massive benefits.

[Knoss]

Tricks that is pretty good but it is only $20.00 for a 72 hour woork week with a couple of paid holidays.

[mtbr]

dog77_1999 wrote:

I would bet those plants are non-union, so they don't have to worry about retirement, huge health care costs, legacy retirees. They are better run companies as well with foresight into the future.

Bingo!you win the prize

[hurley_108]

Knoss wrote:

There will continue to be small business demand for trucks, I would like to see trucks with better suspenions lower ride hieght and fewer exstened cabs, I think there will alwasy be dmenad for these vehicles.

I totally agree. Have fields and roads become dramatically worse in the last 10 years? Because trucks have undergone a growth spurt, and are a serious hazard in the city when they hit a small car or pedestrian.