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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:46 pm
 


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So an angry 17 year old lecturing adults on what to do.

Yeah, it's a shame isn't it?
Oh wait, let me explain what shame IS....


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Ad Hominem.

Ad hominem? Yup.

Scientific? Yup.

Do you, or do you not demand that we follow the science?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:21 pm
 


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So an angry 17 year old lecturing adults on what to do.

Yeah, it's a shame isn't it?
Oh wait, let me explain what shame IS....


Yeah it's a dam shame she got nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize. it's a shame you and others feel the need to put her on a pedestal.

Yeah I see that as very shameful. By the way who are you quoting with the same comment because I know it's not me. Shame on you for trying to make it look like its some how related to something I said.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:23 pm
 


peck420 wrote:
Scientific? Yup.


You are going to have more of your words here. How is calling someone 'Antifa' scientific?

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Do you, or do you not demand that we follow the science?


I have presented plenty of the science here over the years. I make no demands of anyone. At this point, they believe in the science, or they don't. I have no time to continue to convince anyone what needs to be done, and that they should do it.

I do what I can to follow the conclusions that the Science has presented.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:32 pm
 


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You are going to have more of your words here. How is calling someone 'Antifa' scientific?

Psychology is a science. Psychology does say that her parents will have had a great deal of control over her current world views and actions. Science says that they are still part of her, and therefor part of the discussion.
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I have presented plenty of the science here over the years. I make no demands of anyone. At this point, they believe in the science, or they don't. I have no time to continue to convince anyone what needs to be done, and that they should do it.

I do what I can to follow the conclusions that the Science has presented.

Nope, you do what you can to follow the conclusions of science that you agree with, same as everyone else.

As evidenced by the fact that you didn't even bother to think about psychology, and parent/child relationships, as constituting science in the first place.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:34 pm
 


peck420 wrote:
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You are going to have more of your words here. How is calling someone 'Antifa' scientific?

Psychology is a science. Psychology does say that her parents will have had a great deal of control over her current world views and actions. Science says that they are still part of her, and therefor part of the discussion.
Claiming they're "part of antifa" based off a shirt you can buy for 15 bucks isn't science.

There is a difference between being against fascism and claiming to be a member of "antifa".

I'm sure we'd be hard pressed to find someone on this board who says they are in favour of fascism.

https://twitter.com/gretathunberg/status/1154734497662943232?lang=en

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Yesterday I posted a photo wearing a borrowed T-shirt that says I’m against fascism. That T-shirt can apparently to some be linked to a violent movement. I don’t support any form of violence and to avoid misunderstandings I’ve deleted the post. And of course I am against fascism.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:22 pm
 


antifa is good. deal with it


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I'm sure we'd be hard pressed to find someone on this board who says they are in favour of fascism.
I asked the forum if they'd ever consider voting communist six years ago. Basically no.

commanderkai made one asking the same for fascism, and, well...


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peck420 wrote:
DrCaleb wrote:
You are going to have more of your words here. How is calling someone 'Antifa' scientific?

Psychology is a science. Psychology does say that her parents will have had a great deal of control over her current world views and actions. Science says that they are still part of her, and therefor part of the discussion.


Unlike Bart, I don't believe the fringe cases are representative of the normal. Bart thinks anyone identifying as Antifa is violent. I do not. Tricks has shown you why.

I do remember that when I was 16 my parents did shape my morality, but they did not reflect my interests.

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I have presented plenty of the science here over the years. I make no demands of anyone. At this point, they believe in the science, or they don't. I have no time to continue to convince anyone what needs to be done, and that they should do it.

I do what I can to follow the conclusions that the Science has presented.

Nope, you do what you can to follow the conclusions of science that you agree with, same as everyone else.

As evidenced by the fact that you didn't even bother to think about psychology, and parent/child relationships, as constituting science in the first place.


To be fair, I am more a math/physics person. Psychology is more of an art to me. Not my first reaction.

And I do not have to like or agree with the science to follow it. I simply have to see the conclusions are based in fact, and with Climate Change I have seen the main indicators that their science is reliable. It is internally consistent, it is proven consistent through multiple independent sources, statistical tests have shown the data reliable, and attempts to prove it is not happening failed.

The scientific method removes personal biases from the conclusions.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:46 am
 


Public_Domain wrote:
Tricks wrote:
I'm sure we'd be hard pressed to find someone on this board who says they are in favour of fascism.
I asked the forum if they'd ever consider voting communist six years ago. Basically no.

commanderkai made one asking the same for fascism, and, well...

I stand corrected.


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I have received the Nordic Council’s environmental award 2019. I have decided to decline this prize. Here’s why: “I am currently traveling through California and therefore not able to be present with you today. I want to thank the Nordic Council for this award. It is a huge honour. But the climate movement does not need any more awards. What we need is for our politicians and the people in power start to listen to the current, best available science. The Nordic countries have a great reputation around the world when it comes to climate and environmental issues. There is no lack of bragging about this. There is no lack of beautiful words. But when it comes to our actual emissions and our ecological footprints per capita - if we include our consumption, our imports as well as aviation and shipping - then it’s a whole other story. In Sweden we live as if we had about 4 planets according to WWF and Global Footprint Network. And roughly the same goes for the entire Nordic region. In Norway for instance, the government recently gave a record number of permits to look for new oil and gas. The newly opened oil and natural gas-field, ”Johan Sverdrup” is expected to produce oil and natural gas for 50 years; oil and gas that would generate global CO2 emissions of 1,3 tonnes. The gap between what the science says is needed to limit the increase of global temperature rise to below 1,5 or even 2 degrees - and politics that run the Nordic countries is gigantic. And there are still no signs whatsoever of the changes required. The Paris Agreement, which all of the Nordic countries have signed, is based on the aspect of equity, which means that richer countries must lead the way. We belong to the countries that have the possibility to do the most. And yet our countries still basically do nothing. So until you start to act in accordance with what the science says is needed to limit the global temperature rise below 1,5 degrees or even 2 degrees celsius, I - and Fridays For Future in Sweden - choose not to accept the Nordic Councils environmental award nor the prize money of 500 000 Swedish kronor. Best wishes Greta Thunberg”


Greta Thunberg declines climate prize


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:50 am
 


I wonder how that will be spun against her.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:06 am
 


Public_Domain wrote:
antifa is good. deal with it

Anyone who uses violence to achieve their means is a thug. Thugs have no place in society.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:15 am
 


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I wonder how that will be spun against her.


I too am interested. Pretty much popped the theories of her being in it for the money; and controlled by someone, however.

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Public_Domain wrote:
antifa is good. deal with it

Anyone who uses violence to achieve their means is a thug. Thugs have no place in society.


It's pretty rare that any big change happens in society without violence though. Gay rights, black rights, women's rights. All these movements had some violence in them, usually because the rights-givers don't want to give the rights without it. So, they have to be taken, with force.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:21 am
 


I don't necessarily disagree. However Innocents usually pay the price. I take issue to the idea of misdirected violence.


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