[Newsbot]

Title: Guns, car crashes and drugs cut US male life expectancy by a year, research says | US news | The Guardian
Category: Uncle Sam
Posted By: andyt
Date: 2016-02-09 18:16:19

[andyt]

$1:

“I was surprised by the sheer magnitude of the impact of firearm deaths, that they’re only 1%-2% of deaths in the US but responsible for 20% of the gap in life expectancy between the US and other countries in men,” said Andrew Fenelon, the lead author of the letter.

[Delwin]

Yeah so in your face gun nuts !! And what percentage does terrorism lower life expectancy by ? It's frikin' infinitesimal there probably isn't enough room to fit the zeroes after the decimal. So lets get our priorities straight and start saving lives. mkay ?

[andyt]

Delwin Delwin:

Yeah so in your face gun nuts !!

They all figure they'll be shortening the other guy's life expectancy.

[Thanos]

"What you call a problem we call havin' fun" - average contemporary American male.

[Delwin]

Yep, pure delusion. They sit around polishing their guns, daydreaming about the sorry sack that is going to rush through the door with a hatchet a la "Here's Johnny", and they never consider the very real chance that their kids are going to get a hold of it and shoot their own face off.

[Thanos]

Don't take it too seriously. It's just dudes playing real-life Jackass, except with live ammunition and meth addiction. People who aren't retards should just sit back, watch, and get a few misanthropic laughs out of the spiraling-downwards spectacle.

[rickc]

This study is to generic. They need to break it down by race. We all know who is dying from these gunshot wounds, and they don't live in my neighborhood. Its not taking any years off of my life expectancy. I will go out on a limb and say that over 95% of the people doing the shooting, are already legally barred from owning firearms. They are convicted felons, gang bangers, etc. No amount of gun control is going to stop the killing in these neighborhoods. But hey any of you lefties that want to go into their neighborhoods to disarm them, go for it. I can guarandamntee you that going into their neighborhood will definately shorten YOUR lifespan.

[Thanos]

Got that right. Remove one single demographic from the equation and practically all of the bad statistics in the US get cut by at least a half, and that particular group sure ain't nutty white guys who decide to shoot up a school or office. The Bundy bozos holding out at the bird sanctuary ain't killed anyone yet, but the urban youth from the south side of Chicago who are "being oppressed by the white man" are already in triple digits for 2016. It's just the way it is and there is no cure.

[Delwin]

No, minorities are not the only ones being victimized by crime:

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/vvcs9310.pdf#Page=7

[rickc]

Delwin Delwin:

Yep, pure delusion. They sit around polishing their guns, daydreaming about the sorry sack that is going to rush through the door with a hatchet a la "Here's Johnny", and they never consider the very real chance that their kids are going to get a hold of it and shoot their own face off.

Delusion huh? I think not.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-v ... me-invader
http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/29455296 ... vegas-home
http://www.ktnv.com/news/local-man-shoo ... e-invasion
http://lasvegassun.com/news/2015/dec/23 ... killed-du/
http://news3lv.com/news/local/homeowner ... al-warning
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-v ... identified

All these are cases of someone sitting in their home when some sad sack came busting through the door a la "Here's Johnny". All these cases are in the same city, my city. All of them happened within the last year, give or take a few months. In all these cases the intruder/s were given a dose of lead poisoning. These are just the home invasions, not the attempted car jackings, attempted robberies, attempted robberies, attempted assaults, etc. People defend themselves with fire arms all the time. The left does not want to talk about that.

Do we have irresponsible fire arms owners? Of course we do. When some one does not store firearms responsibly, and a child gets hurt, I say prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. Put them in prison. It serves them right. We have a lot more irresponsible auto owners out there. No one is talking about banning the automobile. I do not know anyone who has not been in at least one car crash in their lifetime. I have never met anyone who has been shot.

[BeaverFever]

rickc rickc:

This study is to generic. They need to break it down by race. We all know who is dying from these gunshot wounds, and they don't live in my neighborhood. Its not taking any years off of my life expectancy. I will go out on a limb and say that over 95% of the people doing the shooting, are already legally barred from owning firearms. They are convicted felons, gang bangers, etc. No amount of gun control is going to stop the killing in these neighborhoods. But hey any of you lefties that want to go into their neighborhoods to disarm them, go for it. I can guarandamntee you that going into their neighborhood will definately shorten YOUR lifespan.

Yeah but think about what your argument really says, whether you mean it to or not: it's saying that if it's not a problem affecting white people then it's not really a problem. And if Whites were similarly affected by this phenomenon, well THEN America would have a problem worth solving.

You know, non-whites are Americans too. Their problems are also American problems. That's what slogans like "Black Lives Matter" mean. You can't just shrug these off. The fact that your nation is plagued by such a prevalence of disadvantaged communities stands as a stain on your country's reputation. And given the fact that the disadvantaged are also so clearly identified along racial lines makes it doubly so.

[andyt]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Yeah but think about what your argument really says, whether you mean it to or not: it's saying that if it's not a problem affecting white people then it's not really a problem. And if Whites were similarly affected by this phenomenon, well THEN America would have a problem worth solving.

Very well put. I've never thought about it from that pov before, but you said it.

[Delwin]

rickc rickc:

Delwin Delwin:

Yep, pure delusion. They sit around polishing their guns, daydreaming about the sorry sack that is going to rush through the door with a hatchet a la "Here's Johnny", and they never consider the very real chance that their kids are going to get a hold of it and shoot their own face off.

Delusion huh? I think not.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-v ... me-invader
http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/29455296 ... vegas-home
http://www.ktnv.com/news/local-man-shoo ... e-invasion
http://lasvegassun.com/news/2015/dec/23 ... killed-du/
http://news3lv.com/news/local/homeowner ... al-warning
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-v ... identified

All these are cases of someone sitting in their home when some sad sack came busting through the door a la "Here's Johnny". All these cases are in the same city, my city. All of them happened within the last year, give or take a few months. In all these cases the intruder/s were given a dose of lead poisoning. These are just the home invasions, not the attempted car jackings, attempted robberies, attempted robberies, attempted assaults, etc. People defend themselves with fire arms all the time. The left does not want to talk about that.

Do we have irresponsible fire arms owners? Of course we do. When some one does not store firearms responsibly, and a child gets hurt, I say prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. Put them in prison. It serves them right. We have a lot more irresponsible auto owners out there. No one is talking about banning the automobile. I do not know anyone who has not been in at least one car crash in their lifetime. I have never met anyone who has been shot.

Right so 6 cases in the history of the US is justification for tens of thousands of gun deaths a year, kind of like a handful of terrorist incidents is justification for the subjugation of 1.6 Billion Muslims worldwide.

The car vs gun thing is just a false equivalency used by the right to attempt to justify an insane culture, no one outside of the US buys it. The difference of course is that when a gun kills, it is doing exactly what it was designed to do. When a car kills, it is an "accident" in every respect.

[rickc]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

rickc rickc:

This study is to generic. They need to break it down by race. We all know who is dying from these gunshot wounds, and they don't live in my neighborhood. Its not taking any years off of my life expectancy. I will go out on a limb and say that over 95% of the people doing the shooting, are already legally barred from owning firearms. They are convicted felons, gang bangers, etc. No amount of gun control is going to stop the killing in these neighborhoods. But hey any of you lefties that want to go into their neighborhoods to disarm them, go for it. I can guarandamntee you that going into their neighborhood will definately shorten YOUR lifespan.

Yeah but think about what your argument really says, whether you mean it to or not: it's saying that if it's not a problem affecting white people then it's not really a problem. And if Whites were similarly affected by this phenomenon, well THEN America would have a problem worth solving.

You know, non-whites are Americans too. Their problems are also American problems. That's what slogans like " Black Lives Matter" mean. You can't just shrug these off. The fact that your nation is plagued by such a prevalence of disadvantaged communities stands as a stain on your country's reputation and the fact that the disadvantaged are also so clearly identified along racial lines is doubly so.

Thats why it is so hard to have this conversation. There is no polite way to say it. I think you summed it up nicely. "Certain people" have always mattered more than others in my country. Its better to be white, Its better to be Protestant, Its better to be rich. Its better to be connected. Its better to go to an Ivy league school than a community college. Is it any different in your country? How many blacks or FN'S are on your supreme court? Any black or FN's Premiers? What is the life expectancy of FN people vs. the rest of Canada? What does the crime rates among FN"s compare with the rest of Canada? Why is one in four people in Canadian prison a FN, when they only make up 4 per cent of the population? Why are blacks 40% of the federal prison population, when they are only 3% of the population?

http://globalnews.ca/news/991471/correc ... diversity/

Do blacks really think that black lives matter? Why are they never around when blacks shoot over 500 other blacks in one weekend in Chicago? Not one word from them. They only care when a black person is killed by a non black. Blacks being killed by non blacks would be such a small blip on a bar graph, you would need a magnifying glass to see it. The fact that they do not want to address the real problem facing them makes people of other races tend to care less about the problem. Sad but true. people tend not to get to worked up about people who make their own bed having to lay in it. Thats also true in your country as well.