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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:14 am
 


Title: How Taiwan and Singapore managed to contain COVID-19, while letting normal life go on
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Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2020-03-21 10:27:30


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Amazing and if what they're saying is true the rest of us didn't really learn a fucking thing from the SARS or MERS outbreaks.

These two countries did all the things that the rest of the world didn't do till it was to late and now they're reaping the rewards of their foresight and willingness to adapt while we suffer.

Well, there's always next time for the rest of us to get it right because, there will be a next time.

Besides what could possibly go wrong when you'll have kids like these in charge of fighting future pandemics. XD



Time for mandatory military service so they can slap the stupid out of these kids and teach them some discipline before they become our future leaders. Otherwise it's gonna be a very long rough ride.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:43 pm
 


Freakinoldguy wrote:
These two countries did all the things that the rest of the world didn't do till it was to late and now they're reaping the rewards of their foresight and willingness to adapt while we suffer.


And how much did it cost, in those two small, densely populated and very rich countries? And how many people would bitch that Trudeau was spending our grandchildrens' future to build it?

Just like Y2k and MERS were the calamities that never happened, because of good planning, that system would have been another billion dollar boondoggle if Covid-19 never came along.


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These two countries did all the things that the rest of the world didn't do till it was to late and now they're reaping the rewards of their foresight and willingness to adapt while we suffer.


And how much did it cost, in those two small, densely populated and very rich countries? And how many people would bitch that Trudeau was spending our grandchildrens' future to build it?

Just like Y2k and MERS were the calamities that never happened, because of good planning, that system would have been another billion dollar boondoggle if Covid-19 never came along.


Both Singapore and Taiwan were hit with a severe SARS outbreaks and Y2K just like alot of the rest of the world and for some strange reason they understood what's required to mitigate a pandemic and showed that it didn't have to be a billion dollar boondoggle. As the matter of fact since they prepared for this after SARS they've had between 16 and 18 years to put the money away and get ready for this pandemic without hurting their economy.

So, to say that we couldn't afford to prepare for a pandemic that's been predicted for a hundred years isn't exactly true, is it?

It doesn't cost much to close your borders, to quarantine your population and to prevent non essential movement within your country. It also doesn't cost much to enforce your quarantine laws. But hey it's alot easier to do nothing and wait for a bunch of twits at the Word Health Organization tell you what to do, despite the fact that even a blind man could see how this whole thing was playing out, which by the way was November not December.

https://www.livescience.com/first-case- ... found.html


I think the biggest issue here isn't the amount of money that now has to be thrown at the pandemic or the damage it's doing to the world economy, it's that the countries who waited for the WHO to tell them what to do and are now in far more trouble than the countries who had pandemic mitigation plans in place and actually enforced those plans at the beginning of the event.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 1:54 pm
 


Take a bunch of inept corruptible buffoons from the UN, put them in labcoats and we have the WHO.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 2:27 pm
 


Singapore and Taiwan certainly have many useful lessons to teach the world on fighting this pandemic. However, Singapore is a single city with an area of 720 square km and a tradition of cultural conformity. Implementing case contact searches there and integrating all sorts of data on individuals is inherently much easier than it is in a subcontinent like Canada with a history of liberal democracy, personal freedom and health care largely controlled at the provincial level. Nearly all Western countries have struggled to emulate the good example set by them.

In a national health crisis like this, I would like to see all provincial authority on health care temporarily assumed by the federal government. It’s also a time when the surveillance capabilities of the internet could really help us in tracing potential cases. We need to think of the common good more than we usually do.


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Sunnyways wrote:
a tradition of cultural conformity.


So, diversity is not a strength.


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Martin15 wrote:
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a tradition of cultural conformity.


So, diversity is not a strength.


Singapore is ethnically diverse but, culturally, has a strong tradition of respect for authority that emanates from Chinese tradition. In an epidemic, it’s highly useful if people do what they are told, and we may have to curtail our liberties and privacy to achieve similar control of such outbreaks as these countries have managed. Governments still have to be candid and accountable, though. China shows what happens when a plague is concealed.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:28 pm
 


Freakinoldguy wrote:
Amazing and if what they're saying is true the rest of us didn't really learn a fucking thing from the SARS or MERS outbreaks.

These two countries did all the things that the rest of the world didn't do till it was to late and now they're reaping the rewards of their foresight and willingness to adapt while we suffer.

Well, there's always next time for the rest of us to get it right because, there will be a next time.

Besides what could possibly go wrong when you'll have kids like these in charge of fighting future pandemics. XD

Time for mandatory military service so they can slap the stupid out of these kids and teach them some discipline before they become our future leaders. Otherwise it's gonna be a very long rough ride.

you are blaming children for the problems that your generation failed to prevent

its old ass fogeys that decided that we were gunna do this honour-system "self-isolation" shit, while china and the countries in this article decided not to take a free-market-will-solve-it approach. it was old ass fogey bosses who kept their employees at work in unsafe conditions like crowding. it was old ass fogeys that delayed, delayed, delayed any god damn sort of response to this thing. and it's still pretty much just "use your judgement" as far as government advice to the bosses. this isn't on some fucking spring breakers, it's on freakin old guys.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:33 pm
 


Sunnyways wrote:
Martin15 wrote:
Sunnyways wrote:
a tradition of cultural conformity.


So, diversity is not a strength.


Singapore is ethnically diverse but, culturally, has a strong tradition of respect for authority that emanates from Chinese tradition. In an epidemic, it’s highly useful if people do what they are told, and we may have to curtail our liberties and privacy to achieve similar control of such outbreaks as these countries have managed. Governments still have to be candid and accountable, though. China shows what happens when a plague is concealed.


Exactly and what's happening here is a direct result of the allowing people to use the "if I feel it's an unjust law I don't have to adhere to it" excuse which has now carried over into all aspects of our society.

So, if you don't get punished for breaking the law when times are good, is it any wonder people ignore them or outright break them when times get bad. A fact which makes enforcing any new ones all the more difficult.

Pandemic or not, there is zero point in having laws if people don't or won't adhere to them and the gov't waffles on enforcing them. So, it might not be so much about culture as it is about ensuring your population knows that there are consequences for breaking the law and I can attest that in Singapore there are definitely consequences for breaking them.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:49 pm
 


I don't know where you two live but there's nobody moving about anywhere today here. Two cars in the grocery store parking lot and I was the only car gassing up for 99c at either of the two stations.
But then again yesterday there were young mommies dragging their babies around in the shopping center, blocking every aisle as if everything was normal.

And don't forget to congratulate Newfoundland too. No cases there, but of course it too is a goddam island as well.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:51 pm
 


I think I saw 6 cases in NL reported on CBC - at least two of those on the island.

https://art-bd.shinyapps.io/covid19canada/

PEI and NL are now asking anyone arriving from the rest of Canada to self-isolate:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavir ... -1.4862911

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfound ... -1.5504154

Interesting breakdown of some BC cases and where they came from here:

https://virihealth.com/bc-case-linkage/


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:56 pm
 


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it was old ass fogeys that delayed, delayed, delayed any god damn sort of response to this thing. and it's still pretty much just "use your judgement" as far as government advice to the bosses.



Trudeau is a 40 something year old..


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Public_Domain wrote:
Freakinoldguy wrote:
Amazing and if what they're saying is true the rest of us didn't really learn a fucking thing from the SARS or MERS outbreaks.

These two countries did all the things that the rest of the world didn't do till it was to late and now they're reaping the rewards of their foresight and willingness to adapt while we suffer.

Well, there's always next time for the rest of us to get it right because, there will be a next time.

Besides what could possibly go wrong when you'll have kids like these in charge of fighting future pandemics. XD

Time for mandatory military service so they can slap the stupid out of these kids and teach them some discipline before they become our future leaders. Otherwise it's gonna be a very long rough ride.

you are blaming children for the problems that your generation failed to prevent

its old ass fogeys that decided that we were gunna do this honour-system "self-isolation" shit, while china and the countries in this article decided not to take a free-market-will-solve-it approach. it was old ass fogey bosses who kept their employees at work in unsafe conditions like crowding. it was old ass fogeys that delayed, delayed, delayed any god damn sort of response to this thing. and it's still pretty much just "use your judgement" as far as government advice to the bosses. this isn't on some fucking spring breakers, it's on freakin old guys.





Spoken like a true Bernie Supporter.

But, by the sound of your rant I'd say you're starting to get more than a little concerned about your health which is good because now that they've discovered this virus isn't just killing old fuckers like you want and it's now killing your immune system lacking generation it should smarten up the ones who think this is a lark.

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Completed on March 18, the latest nationwide Forbes Under 30 Poll found that an astounding 35% of Americans aged 18-29 believed that the COVID-19 crisis is overblown. Less than 50% of those polled think that it’s a genuine health threat.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenbert ... 37a76f8429

Just let me get this straight though. Are you saying that it's the old peoples fault because they didn't force these idiots into quarantine and are making you work just to make them money?. Well i'm sorry that you have to work in the time of cholera but there are hundreds of thousand health care workers who are doing just that without the socialists bitching about, old white men being evil, which is just another socialist cop out.

I won't speak for every jurisdiction in the US but in British Columbia and I suspect most of Canada "Self isolation is mandatory" when the order is issued by a gov't health official. And just because some of these Bernie Supporters went to Florida, a state that didn't have self isolation orders at the time it still doesn't negate the fact that most arrived from some other jurisdiction that had passed their own "self isolate" orders making them not only reckless but likely law breakers. .

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B.C.'s health minister, Adrian Dix, said people in the province need to view self-isolation measures for what they are: mandatory orders. He said that comes with enforcement, but neither he nor Provincial Health Officer Dr. Bonnie Henry would say what that could look like.

“We can, if needed,” Dr. Henry said Saturday when asked about fines or other penalties.

“We have provisions to be able to work with peace officers around the province to assist us in that."


But for you communists it's always someone else's fault even when it's not, isn't it?


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:00 am
 


i see dipshit people of all ages every day out buying bullshit and openly commentating that they think this whole thing is bullshit

what the fuck are you even ranting on about you bitter fucking footnote?

you're literally seething in hysterics with your conspiracy theory that bernie supporters are spreading the virus

again i dunno why you're ranting at me like the "kids" fucking listen to me, as if the old people not taking this seriously would listen to you?

you asinine old fart, you're absolutely out of your mind. just rattling off random conservative brainworm tirades, mashing it all up into one and getting yourself into a right rage over your own mental demons

what does nurses being mentally taxed to hell in this crisis have to do with minimum wage service workers being also forced to work through the crisis? what sort of logic is that? "ah, a virus is infecting thousands and is highly contagious. the hospitals are overwhelmed and the nurses are overworked. which reminds me, kids have it too easy!"

are you working? outside your house? if not, shut the FUCK UP


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