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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:32 pm
 


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Ground penetrating sonar/radar has been around since the mid-1970's, and has been in commercial use as early as 1992. I'm not buying the 'It's Harper's fault' crap. Give that dead horse a rest.

Now, tell me the real reason why this hasn't been done before now.

-J.

There is one situation where “ blame Harper” is appropriate. That would be when it’s Harpers fault, :idea:


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Can't have it both ways with the whataboutisms. We are not going back to 1907 here that's why there was a truth and reconciliation report was done to get clear answers and the government of the time was given them. It was clearly downplayed for cynical political reasons at the time it was released and not resolved. That's Harper's legacy.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:38 pm
 


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That's Harper's legacy.


Not even close, and you know it.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:47 pm
 


You wanna check the dates on that assertion?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Harper

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_and ... _of_Canada


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Scape Scape:
Can't have it both ways with the whataboutisms. We are not going back to 1907 here that's why there was a truth and reconciliation report was done to get clear answers and the government of the time was given them. It was clearly downplayed for cynical political reasons at the time it was released and not resolved. That's Harper's legacy.


And the feds under the Liberals are still jacking around with housing and clean water on the reserves, just among the many responsibilities each and every single government of this country has dodged & ignored since our founding. Will that Justin Trudeau's only legacy, because it's still happening with him as PM?

This is how things remain stagnant, by pulling a critical issue into the endless us-vs-them Lib-vs-Tory tribal idiocy. It serves nothing except to ensure that the problems will remain in perpetuity, just because Canada lacks the maturity to knock it off with the cheap political shots instead of getting down to business to put a permanent end to these tragedies & embarrassments.


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And the feds under the Liberals are still jacking around with housing and clean water on the reserves, just among the many responsibilities each and every single government of this country has dodged & ignored since our founding. Will that Justin Trudeau's only legacy, because it's still happening with him as PM?

This is how things remain stagnant, by pulling a critical issue into the endless us-vs-them Lib-vs-Tory tribal idiocy. It serves nothing except to ensure that the problems will remain in perpetuity, just because Canada lacks the maturity to knock it off with the cheap political shots instead of getting down to business to put a permanent end to these tragedies & embarrassments.


Can somebody please rep Thanos for me? I haven't given enough rep to other posters yet, but he deserves it for this.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:58 pm
 


That wasn't the point I was making Thanos. I was making this one
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More than 10 years ago, the Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada (TRC), asked the federal government to help fund a series of projects that would identify burial site locations of children at Canadian residential schools.

The funding for this, around $1.5 million, was denied by the feds, which was led by former prime minister Stephen Harper at the time.


You want to go off on the lib's about clean water? Be my guest but get in line behind Jody.


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Scape Scape:
Can't have it both ways with the whataboutisms. We are not going back to 1907 here that's why there was a truth and reconciliation report was done to get clear answers and the government of the time was given them. It was clearly downplayed for cynical political reasons at the time it was released and not resolved. That's Harper's legacy.


Oh come on he also like the ones before him didn’t have the guts to do something about the house!! General maintenance was a can of worms no one wanted to open. The windows are old and drafty was a bad look there’s asbestos in there it’s a problem most could understand and they didn’t want to open it. What are the odds that this they would get anywhere near this bombshell. This is much bigger than the government house!! Besides they were all hoping this bomb would never ever be seen. It’s every PM’s legacy it’s Canada’s legacy it’s not going away. The real test is if anything changes or anyone cares in a year if they can figure out a way to sweep it under the carpet they will. How many have been talking about changes that never happen. How many reserves have clean drinking water? How many have running water in all the houses? It comes up in the news cycle everyone is shocked they say oh something should be done to fix this. Then the news moves on rinse and repeat


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Can somebody please rep Thanos for me? I haven't given enough rep to other posters yet, but he deserves it for this.

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One thing to remember is that all this didn't go on in a bubble, a lot of people knew what was going on at the time (and since) and nobody talked. This never should have started and could probably have been stopped a lot sooner.

People knew, and nobody cared.


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Scape Scape:
Can't have it both ways with the whataboutisms. We are not going back to 1907 here that's why there was a truth and reconciliation report was done to get clear answers and the government of the time was given them. It was clearly downplayed for cynical political reasons at the time it was released and not resolved. That's Harper's legacy.


Oh come on he also like the ones before him didn’t have the guts to do something about the house!! General maintenance was a can of worms no one wanted to open. The windows are old and drafty was a bad look there’s asbestos in there it’s a problem most could understand and they didn’t want to open it. What are the odds that this they would get anywhere near this bombshell. This is much bigger than the government house!! Besides they were all hoping this bomb would never ever be seen. It’s every PM’s legacy it’s Canada’s legacy it’s not going away. The real test is if anything changes or anyone cares in a year if they can figure out a way to sweep it under the carpet they will. How many have been talking about changes that never happen. How many reserves have clean drinking water? How many have running water in all the houses? It comes up in the news cycle everyone is shocked they say oh something should be done to fix this. Then the news moves on rinse and repeat


This is what I meant too. As an Indigenous person you know better than anyone else in Canada that when it comes to getting something critical done the federal government moves slower than a glacier. The only federal file the government screws up more than on First Nations issues would be ones concerning replacing obsolete & burned-out military equipment.

I have no idea what to suggest to get things moving faster because transferring the management and funding distribution to the provinces and away from the federal bureaucracy wouldn't be a solution. There's no way in hell I'd trust a provincial government, especially a right-wing one like the Kenney mob that depends on some pretty ugly good ol' boys to stay in power in a place like Alberta for example, with taking over these kinds of responsibilities.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:21 pm
 


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Thanos Thanos:
And the feds under the Liberals are still jacking around with housing and clean water on the reserves, just among the many responsibilities each and every single government of this country has dodged & ignored since our founding. Will that Justin Trudeau's only legacy, because it's still happening with him as PM?

This is how things remain stagnant, by pulling a critical issue into the endless us-vs-them Lib-vs-Tory tribal idiocy. It serves nothing except to ensure that the problems will remain in perpetuity, just because Canada lacks the maturity to knock it off with the cheap political shots instead of getting down to business to put a permanent end to these tragedies & embarrassments.


Can somebody please rep Thanos for me? I haven't given enough rep to other posters yet, but he deserves it for this.


R=UP


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Oh come on he also like the ones before him didn’t have the guts to do something about the house!!


Actions have consequences. You don't like it? Do something about it. Government enacts policy and what they choose to do or not on their watch is what all Canadians have a stake in. Calling that out isn't passing the buck it demanding that the buck stops here.

Was it a cynical political calculation, a game of musical chairs with dead bodies? Most likely. The music stopped on Harpers watch and at the time he could have done something about it. He didn't. That's on no one else but him.

There are plenty of critiques that can be leveled at the current minority lead liberal government but I am not attacking them for something they had nothing to do with at the time.

When this report was released it was given no credence and we moved on. The people in power knew what was reported and whistled past the grave yard. It's like when I ran for office against NAFTA because I didn't want our jobs shipped off to Mexico and China, but no one listened to me then either. It still doesn't change the fact that it was wrong and that the bodies had to be found by a gofundme is just as wrong.

The buck has to stop here.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:24 pm
 


raydan raydan:
One thing to remember is that all this didn't go on in a bubble, a lot of people knew what was going on at the time (and since) and nobody talked. This never should have started and could probably have been stopped a lot sooner.

People knew, and nobody cared.


It's also very easy to ignore oral histories and the movies on the CBC or NFB documentaries that were made about this issue. Finding graveyards full of the remains of abused children is too in-your-face for even the most ignorant and oblivious to turn their backs on.


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