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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:29 pm
 


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And the feds under the Liberals are still jacking around with housing and clean water on the reserves, just among the many responsibilities each and every single government of this country has dodged & ignored since our founding. Will that Justin Trudeau's only legacy, because it's still happening with him as PM?

This is how things remain stagnant, by pulling a critical issue into the endless us-vs-them Lib-vs-Tory tribal idiocy. It serves nothing except to ensure that the problems will remain in perpetuity, just because Canada lacks the maturity to knock it off with the cheap political shots instead of getting down to business to put a permanent end to these tragedies & embarrassments.


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Can't have it both ways with the whataboutisms. We are not going back to 1907 here that's why there was a truth and reconciliation report was done to get clear answers and the government of the time was given them. It was clearly downplayed for cynical political reasons at the time it was released and not resolved. That's Harper's legacy.


Oh come on he also like the ones before him didn’t have the guts to do something about the house!! General maintenance was a can of worms no one wanted to open. The windows are old and drafty was a bad look there’s asbestos in there it’s a problem most could understand and they didn’t want to open it. What are the odds that this they would get anywhere near this bombshell. This is much bigger than the government house!! Besides they were all hoping this bomb would never ever be seen. It’s every PM’s legacy it’s Canada’s legacy it’s not going away. The real test is if anything changes or anyone cares in a year if they can figure out a way to sweep it under the carpet they will. How many have been talking about changes that never happen. How many reserves have clean drinking water? How many have running water in all the houses? It comes up in the news cycle everyone is shocked they say oh something should be done to fix this. Then the news moves on rinse and repeat



Played golf with a FN guy today, he basically said the same, all political stripes come out with fancy promises and there it ends until next time with yet more promises. Rinse and repeat.


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One thing to remember is that all this didn't go on in a bubble, a lot of people knew what was going on at the time (and since) and nobody talked. This never should have started and could probably have been stopped a lot sooner.

People knew, and nobody cared.


It's also very easy to ignore oral histories and the movies on the CBC or NFB documentaries that were made about this issue. Finding graveyards full of the remains of abused children is too in-your-face for even the most ignorant and oblivious to turn their backs on.

What I could have added is that there are a lot of people to blame. Trying to pin the tail on the donkey won't do any good here. Recognize what went on and make sure it never happens again... bring in the Church, consult with the natives and see what they want. Somebody will have to pay here.


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Played golf with a FN guy today, he basically said the same, all political stripes come out with fancy promises and there it ends until next time with yet more promises. Rinse and repeat.

I've been saying the same thing for over 40 years.


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There are some lines that should never be crossed. Anything less is abdication to nihilism.

When the report was requesting help to find the rest of bodies and Canada turn our backs I can not give that a pass. I would rather band-aid been ripped off then and we could deal with it then the mess we have now.


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We have to look at human nature behind the collective non-reaction by Canadians over the decades. Take the Holocaust during World War Two as a similar example, even though Canada was on the side of those who put a stop to that wretched atrocity. Given the lack of reaction by our post-war governments and the Canadian people to the discovery of the concentration camps one has to assume that the bulk of the population remained entirely ignorant of what the Nazis were doing, even after Canadian soldiers themselves helped to liberate camps. It really wasn't until the late 1970's and 80's when a more concrete mass-knowledge of the Holocaust occurred thanks to more movies and TV mini-series being broadcast happened. Until the nature of the mass death that occurred was visually dramatized and the news media & education systems sought out testimonies from survivors it was something that sort of got swept under the carpet. Not deliberately or out of malice. It was just something to most Canadians that was a historical oddity or footnote that ended up as no great concern to us. That our history classes in our schools have been an abysmal joke for endless decades didn't help at all in fighting the entrenched ignorance either.

So too with the residential schools. What happened on the reserves didn't affect anyone else in the rest of the Canadian population to any great degree. And having been raised with our own myths about our founding, that we somehow didn't do to our own Native population what those nasty Americans and Spanish and Portuguese did to theirs, the belief in our own goodness was concrete to the point of being unassailable. Like Bruce Cockburn wrote about Native living conditions in his "The Trouble With Normal" song, the very specifically written "and the local Third World's kept on reservations you don't see" lyric, was the daily reality for city-dwellers who had too many issues of their own to deal with and weren't tramping around the back country where the reserves are. Not gonna see it leads to not knowing about it and not caring about it either.

Unless someone sees it themselves it just isn't real to them. It's just part of the human condition. It quite literally takes seeing the corpses and bones up front to shock most people into a different state of mind. It's more satisfying to believe in myths anyway because facing reality is too much hard work. Most people choose myth simply because they don't want to deal with the upset thinking & emotional distress that will always occur to any mostly-decent person when reality reveals to them the basic universal truth that lurks behind every single society on this planet - there isn't a single culture or nation that's ever existed that didn't have their foundation built on someone else's blood & misery.

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Deb Haaland Announces Plan to Investigate Tragic History of Native American Assimilation Schools
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Deb Haaland was confirmed as the first Native American Cabinet secretary in March. She isn’t wasting any time using her new post at the top of the Department of the Interior to advocate for indigenous people.

Haaland announced on Tuesday that the DOI is launching an initiative to address the “intergenerational impact” of the federal government’s history of forcing Native American children into boarding schools in order to assimilate them into white American culture. “At no time in history have the records or documentation of this policy been compiled or analyzed to determine the full scope of its reaches and effects,” Haaland said. “We must uncover the truth about the loss of human life, and the lasting consequences of the schools.”


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Oh come on he also like the ones before him didn’t have the guts to do something about the house!!


Actions have consequences. You don't like it? Do something about it. Government enacts policy and what they choose to do or not on their watch is what all Canadians have a stake in. Calling that out isn't passing the buck it demanding that the buck stops here.

Was it a cynical political calculation, a game of musical chairs with dead bodies? Most likely. The music stopped on Harpers watch and at the time he could have done something about it. He didn't. That's on no one else but him.

There are plenty of critiques that can be leveled at the current minority lead liberal government but I am not attacking them for something they had nothing to do with at the time.

When this report was released it was given no credence and we moved on. The people in power knew what was reported and whistled past the grave yard. It's like when I ran for office against NAFTA because I didn't want our jobs shipped off to Mexico and China, but no one listened to me then either. It still doesn't change the fact that it was wrong and that the bodies had to be found by a gofundme is just as wrong.

The buck has to stop here.


It should have stopped there but the fact that it didn’t doesn’t surprise me. You don’t have to forgive him or the fact that they probably had something to do with the down playing of the reports. But who was in isn’t really important what happens now is! I don’t think we can stand doing the usual pretty speeches but nothing changing. This is crushing people’s souls and it’s going to continue. There has to be changes.

There were over 130 residential schools in Canada run over 160 years. We have almost a 1000 unmarked graves with two schools. That’s the scariest fact. It’s going to push some over the edge.


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It doesn't stop there either, as I posted above the US is also doing an investigation and you can imagine just how many bodies they will find as well. I think it is the underlying reason as to why their reaction to critical race theory is so visceral as they have a guilty conscious.

It's not so much that I blame Harper as I hold him to account. Either by ignorance or malice we got here but it is still important that we at least acknowledge that fact. He who controls the past can write the future after all and there is most certainly a vein of denialism running throughout.

It am horrified at what the future will bring, as this is all over North America. Best to face it than run from it thou.


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If you think it's bad in North America imagine what happened, and still happens today, in Central and South America where the church working with the Spanish & Portuguese nobility & landed gentry literally ran amok for 550 years. The scale of the atrocity is effectively unimaginable, even to those of us who know what a mountain of corpses looks like just from looking at photographs from World War Two.


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raydan raydan:
One thing to remember is that all this didn't go on in a bubble, a lot of people knew what was going on at the time (and since) and nobody talked. This never should have started and could probably have been stopped a lot sooner.

People knew, and nobody cared.


It's also very easy to ignore oral histories and the movies on the CBC or NFB documentaries that were made about this issue. Finding graveyards full of the remains of abused children is too in-your-face for even the most ignorant and oblivious to turn their backs on.


One of the recommendations of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, was all Canadians should read the report on the TRC.

If you do that, none of these atrocities is a surprise. These graves have been known for generations.

This was in a sort of bubble. The bubble that First Nations knew about, and that the RoC didn't know about. It's not that we didn't care, it's that we were never told. Once the report was released, there is no excuse however.


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Because money hasn’t been released. Doesn’t matter who was in office as there’s always a little pissant who decides that they are ruler of their little fiefdom and that it’s a personal affront to spend the money without more paperwork and hoops than is possible to fill out without three lifetimes and 37 degrees. Government is very good at making promises that are very hard to actually get full filled. It makes them sound and feel better while doing absolutely nothing!!


I agree. Problem is, some around here will turn it into an instant partisan thing instead of looking at the big picture, as you have.

But, I digress. That is, unfortunately a way of life for some.

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You literally blame trudeau for everything you possibly can. Take your stones, your glass house, and fuck off.


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Thanos Thanos:
raydan raydan:
One thing to remember is that all this didn't go on in a bubble, a lot of people knew what was going on at the time (and since) and nobody talked. This never should have started and could probably have been stopped a lot sooner.

People knew, and nobody cared.


It's also very easy to ignore oral histories and the movies on the CBC or NFB documentaries that were made about this issue. Finding graveyards full of the remains of abused children is too in-your-face for even the most ignorant and oblivious to turn their backs on.


One of the recommendations of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, was all Canadians should read the report on the TRC.

If you do that, none of these atrocities is a surprise. These graves have been known for generations.

This was in a sort of bubble. The bubble that First Nations knew about, and that the RoC didn't know about. It's not that we didn't care, it's that we were never told. Once the report was released, there is no excuse however.

Even that I don't understand. I feel like I've always been aware that thousands of kids were missing and presumed dead/killed from the residential school system. I don't understand how it was a surprise, even before the TRC. Generational thing that millennials were taught this?


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Generational thing that millennials were taught this?


I think so. I didn't hear about Residential Schools till about the time of the Mount Cashell scandal. That's when there was a pivot that the same thing had been happening to First Nations people for generations. That's also when many Residential Schools started closing.


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