[andyt]

Lemmy wrote:

It's hard to know the son's role. I don't want to mitigate his involvement in any way, but I suspect that there's a certain amount of duress invovled. If Dad were out of the picture, would the son have taken on the task? I doubt it.

If you're following the story, you would not get that impression. Son ruled the house while dad was out of the country. Son wrote an essay in school about how you follow your traditions no matter where you live. Son threw scissors and hit girls. Girl wrote boyfriend - don't let brother see us together. Etc etc. I'll give you he was brainwashed, but then so was dad by his culture. I think son remained wrapped in his culture because there was no downside for him. The girls OTOH, saw what was available for them in Canada vs at home and wanted out. They tried to get out, but our system wasn't supportive enough. One ran away to a woman's shelter, but returned home because she didn't get enough support. One tried to commit suicide, which the authorities were aware of. Etc.

[andyt]

Here's the kind of thing we should be doing, only before we ever let them in:

Quote:

Gatineau’s guide for immigrants warns against honour killings

One of Quebec's largest cities has released a welcome guide for immigrants, advising newcomers to refrain from bribing officials and killing people for honour.
According to an article in the Globe and Mail, the city of Gatineau recently published a 'statement of values' which includes a somewhat pedantic list of dos and don'ts for becoming a resident.
On a page titled 'Children are our most precious good,' the guide says that no-nos include "excessive punishments, corporal and sexual abuse, confinement, neglect, forced labour, humiliation, and willful malnutrition."
Under 'hygiene, cleanliness and quality of life,' the guide says respecting others extends to curtailing smells like cigarette smoke and "strong odors emanating from cooking."
The most detailed section, according to the Globe and Mail, informs newcomers that violence is not justified in the name of "ancestral rights," "safeguarding honour," or "culture or religion."
The document is reminiscent of the controversial 2007 code of conduct of Heouxville, Quebec. As reported in the Toronto Sun, Heouxville received international attention for its code which mentioned that stoning women and burning them with acid was illegal.
Fo Niemi, head of the Centre for Research Action on Race-Relations, says the document is an insult to new immigrants.
"This singles out immigrants and treats them like they came out of a cave," he told the Globe and Mail.
"It practically portrays them as being Neanderthals."
But Mireille Apollon, the Gatineau municipal councilor responsible for culture and diversity, defended the guide and noted cities have inherited a responsibility to integrate immigrants.
Gatineau has the highest immigration levels per capita in Quebec and is second only to Edmonton nationally, she told the Sun.
"Gatineau is growing fast," Apollon said. "It's essential to have documents like this that offer immigrants information about the city."
She added that so far, the reaction has been positive.

[GreenTiger]

andyt wrote:

Here's the kind of thing we should be doing, only before we ever let them in:

Quote:

Gatineau’s guide for immigrants warns against honour killings

One of Quebec's largest cities has released a welcome guide for immigrants, advising newcomers to refrain from bribing officials and killing people for honour.
According to an article in the Globe and Mail, the city of Gatineau recently published a 'statement of values' which includes a somewhat pedantic list of dos and don'ts for becoming a resident.
On a page titled 'Children are our most precious good,' the guide says that no-nos include "excessive punishments, corporal and sexual abuse, confinement, neglect, forced labour, humiliation, and willful malnutrition."
Under 'hygiene, cleanliness and quality of life,' the guide says respecting others extends to curtailing smells like cigarette smoke and "strong odors emanating from cooking."
The most detailed section, according to the Globe and Mail, informs newcomers that violence is not justified in the name of "ancestral rights," "safeguarding honour," or "culture or religion."
The document is reminiscent of the controversial 2007 code of conduct of Heouxville, Quebec. As reported in the Toronto Sun, Heouxville received international attention for its code which mentioned that stoning women and burning them with acid was illegal.
Fo Niemi, head of the Centre for Research Action on Race-Relations, says the document is an insult to new immigrants.
"This singles out immigrants and treats them like they came out of a cave," he told the Globe and Mail.
"It practically portrays them as being Neanderthals."
But Mireille Apollon, the Gatineau municipal councilor responsible for culture and diversity, defended the guide and noted cities have inherited a responsibility to integrate immigrants.
Gatineau has the highest immigration levels per capita in Quebec and is second only to Edmonton nationally, she told the Sun.
"Gatineau is growing fast," Apollon said. "It's essential to have documents like this that offer immigrants information about the city."
She added that so far, the reaction has been positive.

IMHO The defendants here did come out out of a cave before they came to Canada, I think I have more respect than the Neanderthals. This should be done, but I would be lenient on these insects because they didn't read a note on how to be a human being in the 21st century.