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Title: Jeweller who shot robber wants more gun rights
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: ridenrain
Date: 2009-12-08 14:49:38
Canadian

[Robair]

Idiot sent hot led into the street. Somebody should take the law into their own hands and relieve him of his guns.

[Freakinoldguy]

Other the slight miscalculation of field of fire, I say good on him. It's about time violent criminals learned that law abiding citizens aren't just prey, for them to pick off at their leisure.

This gentleman is absolutely correct. If the police and courts won't protect us who will?

[Gunnair]

Freakinoldguy wrote:

Other the slight miscalculation of field of fire, I say good on him. It's about time violent criminals learned that law abiding citizens aren't just prey, for them to pick off at their leisure.

This gentleman is absolutely correct. If the police and courts won't protect us who will?

I won't begrudge the giy from protecting himself with a firearm... not one bit. But the 'slight miscalculation of field of fire' into a street with pedestrians warrants a charge, in my opinion. Had he killed a child, then I doubt you'd label it a simple miscalculation.

One thing to move the notch of responsible gun wonership forward is the responsible use of firearms. Blazing away into a street hardly counts as such.

[ridenrain]

The 2 career criminals were packing illegal guns that the $2 billion dollar registry couldn't find. If the cops were there to do the job, he wouldn't have to defend himself.

As it was:

Quote:

RCMP recommended Galloway be charged as well — with unsafe storage and careless use of a firearm. The Crown disagreed.

Justice was done but only under strong public support.

[Robair]

Gunnair wrote:

One thing to move the notch of responsible gun wonership forward is the responsible use of firearms. Blazing away into a street hardly counts as such.

Couldn't agree more!

All some people see is a citizen defending his property. All I see is blatant disregard for human life.

Emptied an entire clip in the direction of the street. Could have killed anybody's daughter, son, wife...

Idiot deserves his hands slapped at the very least.

Doesn't make him much different than the gunman that killed that young girl Christmas shopping in Toronto. This yahoo was just lucky enough not to hit somebody.

[uwish]

Robair wrote:

Idiot sent hot led into the street. Somebody should take the law into their own hands and relieve him of his guns.

police do no better. I applaud his actions and support his plea for more rights to carry.

[Canadian_Mind]

Eh, depends on the mag he had loaded... If he had only a 10 round mag in his weapon, 5/10 shots into a target during a stressful situation like that is some pretty good shooting.

I'm not denying his stupidity in pointing the gun in a direction where there could be collateral damage, but at least he wasn't someone who had a gun and didn't know how to use it. Very lucky the only person who is hurt is the person who deserved it.

[Robair]

uwish wrote:

Robair wrote:

Idiot sent hot led into the street. Somebody should take the law into their own hands and relieve him of his guns.

police do no better.

Bullshit!

uwish wrote:

I applaud his actions and support his plea for more rights to carry.

Who cares what you think? You can't even come up with your own avatar.

[ridenrain]

Myopically focusing on the fact that the window got shot out is the same flawed thinking that expected criminals illegal handguns to vanish when they brought out the gun registry.

The charges were tabled but they were dropped.

[commanderkai]

Gunnair wrote:

I won't begrudge the giy from protecting himself with a firearm... not one bit. But the 'slight miscalculation of field of fire' into a street with pedestrians warrants a charge, in my opinion. Had he killed a child, then I doubt you'd label it a simple miscalculation.

One thing to move the notch of responsible gun wonership forward is the responsible use of firearms. Blazing away into a street hardly counts as such.

What, exactly, would you want him to do? It's a small store, whose entrance faces a street, and most of it's storefront is glass.

Most civilians have poorer accuracy with weapons, but also most civilians who are using their weapons in self defense don't have the time nor the nerve to properly aim. I don't think a police officer, under the same circumstances, would have had better luck if his weapon was holstered.

Yes, it sucks that 5 or so bullets out of a 10 round clip (could be a rather wide range of clip sizes, but still) missed and went through the store's facade into the street, but that does not make his actions any wrong, in my opinion. I guess he just needs to bullet proof his storefront glass, to make you happy.

[Gunnair]

commanderkai wrote:

Gunnair wrote:

I won't begrudge the giy from protecting himself with a firearm... not one bit. But the 'slight miscalculation of field of fire' into a street with pedestrians warrants a charge, in my opinion. Had he killed a child, then I doubt you'd label it a simple miscalculation.

One thing to move the notch of responsible gun wonership forward is the responsible use of firearms. Blazing away into a street hardly counts as such.

What, exactly, would you want him to do? It's a small store, whose entrance faces a street, and most of it's storefront is glass.

Most civilians have poorer accuracy with weapons, but also most civilians who are using their weapons in self defense don't have the time nor the nerve to properly aim. I don't think a police officer, under the same circumstances, would have had better luck if his weapon was holstered.

Yes, it sucks that 5 or so bullets out of a 10 round clip (could be a rather wide range of clip sizes, but still) missed and went through the store's facade into the street, but that does not make his actions any wrong, in my opinion. I guess he just needs to bullet proof his storefront glass, to make you happy.

Make your case to me after someone blazes away and kills an innocent.

[Gunnair]

ridenrain wrote:

Myopically focusing on the fact that the window got shot out is the same flawed thinking that expected criminals illegal handguns to vanish when they brought out the gun registry.

The charges were tabled but they were dropped.

Actually it's a little different. Responsible gun ownership requires responsible use.

Try to set aside the blatant bias you have for a moment and look at the topic objectively, Riden. The second someone defending themselves picks off an innocent in their furious attempt to drop a perp is the day gun owenership and the ability to defend themselves with them is sent back another twenty years.

[ridenrain]

I understand where your comming from but it simply didn't happen. The chances of it happening were reviewed and found low enough that he wasn't charged. It would have been perfect if all shots were on target but since trained cops don't do any better, I don't think we can hold this civilian to a higher standard.

[commanderkai]

Gunnair wrote:

Make your case to me after someone blazes away and kills an innocent.

Innocent people die. It's a fact of life. Cops can make, and have made mistakes too, and have shot innocent people by accident. I'm sure you didn't clamour for removing weapons from police officers' hands. Soldiers too.

Yes I know, you want to make this about those innocent people who hypothetically could have been killed here. They weren't. This is one shop owner, defending his store from two armed thieves.