[Newsbot]

Title: Jewish groups launch weekend demonstrations against CUPE
Category: Political
Posted By: mtbr
Date: 2009-02-21 14:09:32
Canadian

[RUEZ]

Unions need to stay out of politics. It's not their place. Unions are for employee protection and representation. I can't stand the fact that some of the unions I've belonged to actually told me what I should think about certain situations.

[cyprien]

agreed, ruez.

further, there shouldn't be government unions. the government is a leader in employment standards, regardless of a union. also, when a gov't strike happens, they don't have to worry about going out of business, as there is an endless supply of tax dollars and therefore no incentive to bargain. from the strikers standpoint, there job is safe because the gov't will never go out of business.

get rid of gov't unions.

[Proculation]

[MacDonaill]

How can someone think of banning people from a certain country (especially when that country is a liberal democracy) from lecturing in this country? This is a free country with freedom of speech and assembly. That Sid Ryan guy can go to hell. Who the hell does he think he is? He's not even an elected official. What a clown. I hope he gets put in his place.

Christ, the Americans allowed Ahmadinejad to lecture at Columbia! And this imbecile thinks he's going to block all Israeli academics from lecturing?

Discrimination.

[EyeBrock]

Lots of anti-semitism about these days.

We in Canada seem to be turning a blind eye to it all. Just look at all the anti-jew crap going on at York University.

[DerbyX]

EyeBrock wrote:

Lots of anti-semitism about these days.

We in Canada seem to be turning a blind eye to it all. Just look at all the anti-jew crap going on at York University.

While I agree that unions have no place at all in making political statements like this at all and no university should bar anyone from speaking I think there is anti-Israeli sentiment for damn good reason.

NOT anti-semitic.

[commanderkai]

DerbyX wrote:

EyeBrock wrote:

Lots of anti-semitism about these days.

We in Canada seem to be turning a blind eye to it all. Just look at all the anti-jew crap going on at York University.

While I agree that unions have no place at all in making political statements like this at all and no university should bar anyone from speaking I think there is anti-Israeli sentiment for damn good reason.

NOT anti-semitic.

Wait wait, are you saying what happened at York was not anti-Semitic?

[DerbyX]

commanderkai wrote:

DerbyX wrote:

EyeBrock wrote:

Lots of anti-semitism about these days.

We in Canada seem to be turning a blind eye to it all. Just look at all the anti-jew crap going on at York University.

While I agree that unions have no place at all in making political statements like this at all and no university should bar anyone from speaking I think there is anti-Israeli sentiment for damn good reason.

NOT anti-semitic.

Wait wait, are you saying what happened at York was not anti-Semitic?

Yes and so do you unless you are changing your position that anti-Israeli does not equate with anti-Semitism.

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and a resolution to prohibit Israeli academics from lecturing, teaching or researching in Canada.

Thats not anti-Semitism. The problem is that Israel is so closely identified with a single religion, aka Judaism, that often times disagreements with its policies are termed just that.

The US is mostly a christian nation but arguments against it aren't declared anti-chritstian even if they are declared anti-American.

No it wasn't anti-Semitic. It was a union asshole making comments above and beyond any possible union concern.

[Proculation]

Ok.
Note to myself: Prohibiting a Jew to teach and research in Canada is NOT anti-semitism.

Thanks.

[DerbyX]

Proculation wrote:

Ok.
Note to myself: Prohibiting a Jew to teach and research in Canada is NOT anti-semitism.

Thanks.

No, they were trying to prevent an Israeli academic. Don't get me wrong though. It is profoundly wrong to prevent anybody from speaking at a university. A university is the place to confront opposing thoughts.

Don't equate anti-Israeli sentiment with anti-Semitism lest you emulate the thinking you oppose.

[commanderkai]

DerbyX wrote:

Yes and so do you unless you are changing your position that anti-Israeli does not equate with anti-Semitism.

First, I never laid that position, I never said any position. HOWEVER, since they attacked a Jewish student organization on campus, their attack was anti-semitic, since you already made the distinction that anti-Israel does not mean anti-Jew, but since that was a Jewish, and not an Israeli organization, that means they were targeted for their Jewish heritage, and not their Israeli citizenship (which they probably didn't have).

[Axeman]

Personally, I think we should get rid of Hate Laws. I think racists and lunatics ought to be able to say whatever they want. That way the rest of us can fully identify the psychopaths around us. Let them expose themselves for what they are.

[DerbyX]

commanderkai wrote:

DerbyX wrote:

Yes and so do you unless you are changing your position that anti-Israeli does not equate with anti-Semitism.

First, I never laid that position, I never said any position. HOWEVER, since they attacked a Jewish student organization on campus, their attack was anti-semitic, since you already made the distinction that anti-Israel does not mean anti-Jew, but since that was a Jewish, and not an Israeli organization, that means they were targeted for their Jewish heritage, and not their Israeli citizenship (which they probably didn't have).

1) Your position was that anti-Israel was not intrinsic anti-Jewish. THAT was your exact position.

2) Since virtually all pro-Israel groups cower behind pro-Jewish for protection you cannot say that with certainty.

3) The Israelis aren't all Jewish unless they want to admit it.

[commanderkai]

DerbyX wrote:

1) Your position was that anti-Israel was not intrinsic anti-Jewish. THAT was your exact position.

Okay, fine. Sure, that was my exact position. Doesn't matter, because the York attack was anti-semitism.

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2) Since virtually all pro-Israel groups cower behind pro-Jewish for protection you cannot say that with certainty.

Yes I can, and thus you're justifying anti-semitism in a misguided defense for anti-Israel. Very nice, what those people did to that Jewish student organization was a disgrace, and it was anti-semitism, doesn't matter if "virtually" all pro-Israel groups do that, because it does not justify the actions against that student organization.

Just sickening.