[N_Fiddledog]

hurley_108 wrote:

Yea, because ten years of stable to cooling trumps a hundred years of overall warming. Right. Take a hike...

Actually it's much more than a hundred years of gradual warming. It's closer to 300, and is explained by the world moving out of the little ice age. What the global warming hysteria is really about is the twenty year spike before 1998. So really it's an argument of 10 years against twenty, and at present at least the world continues to cool.

[Zipperfish]

N_Fiddledog wrote:

Coleman is saying he understands the peer reviewed science that's already out there, and there's a ton of it. Don't believe me? Start here...

Peer-reviewed articles skeptical of Man-Caused global warming.

I believe you--I just think that it's silly for him to say that he's done all the math and determined AGW is false without showing the math.

And really, ALL the research papers related to climate change should be skeptical. Anthropogenic climate change, as a hypothesis, has to be falsifiable. Scientists should attempt to falsify their own hypotheses, because if they don't, someone else will do it for them. That can be embarrassing (ask Dr. Mann, regarding his bristlecone pine data, for example).

To me, the main falsifiable aspect of climate change theory would be if real temperatures do not match IPCC projections, within the context of the uncertainty of those projections. This has been done graphically here.



Source: http://www.skepticalscience.com/Comparing-IPCC-projections-to-observations.html

Graph Caption wrote:

Figure 2: Global land and ocean surface temperature from GISS (red) and the Hadley Centre/Climatic Research Unit (blue) up to 2006. Thin lines are yearly average, solid lines are long term trends. Dashed lines are IPCC projections. Grey range encompasses IPCC uncertainty in climate sensitivity.

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As far as research scientists go, not only is it a fact there always were research guys such as Spencer, and Christy challenging aspects of global warming, we're seeing more and more hardcore scientists crossing over to what you would think of as the dark side. There are some examples HERE. Yes it's a right-wing blog. So what? Prove the actual information false.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If AGW is demonstrated to be false, I will readily admit it when it becomes apparent to me (though I am a little slow), and walk away a sadder and wiser man. I have no vested interest, apart from some wounded pride on an internet chat forum I visit (this one!). I'm not a socialist and do not support Al Gore's solutions or Kyoto. I don't think we should spend trillions to prevent it or damage the world economy by drastically cutting back on oil. I'm just a scientist who stakes my claim on science.

I have a lot of respect for some skepctics, such as Richard Lindzen and Stephen McIntyre, and yourself, for that matter.

All that to say,. I do not consider science papers skeptical of climate change to be from "the dark side."

[Zipperfish]

WHAT HAVE WE WROUGHT?

[N_Fiddledog]

Polar Bears are cute. They like to swim out to the melting ice in the summer time, and play around out there. Aahhh...

[Johnny_Utah]

Al Gore Is Special

[CanAm1]

Zipperfish wrote:

WHAT HAVE WE WROUGHT?

He looks like he got wet. I think he was wanting a dry spot to sit on at the NY Zoo.

Either that or he was on a trip from Greenland to Newfoundland and needed to get away from a whale. LOL.
Cool pic Zip.

[ridenrain]

" ROSEHILL: We all know, don't we, that global cooling and imminent ice ages are caused by global warming? We all do know that, right? And we surely all know that global warming is caused by global cooling. Right? And global cooling is caused by a buildup of CO2 in the atmosphere, caused by man made pollutants, such as happened 10,000 to 12,000 years ago, and.... Wait, I'm getting confused. Global warming is caused by pollutants caused by wooly mammoths, which caused the ice ages that killed them off, because they ate too much and produced too much flatulence. Wait, which came first, the global warming which caused the ice ages, or the mammoths which farted too much??? And what were people doing back 10 to 12,000 years ago to cause so much CO2, anyway? Probably driving too many chariots pulled by those mammoths. Wait, the wheel wasn't invented yet. So, did the invention of the wheel cause global warming, or global cooling??? Now I'm really confused. What's Gore's number? I need to call him to get the truth, don't I?? Al, help me, please!"