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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:36 pm
 


Title: Khadr must be kept out, Tories insist
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: RUEZ
Date: 2008-06-18 08:01:56
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:36 pm
 


No surprises here, considering how the CPC is so backwards on its notions of human rights.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:43 pm
 


As a liberal.. this is the second thing I agree with that the torys have said.. he is a terrorist suspect..comes from a family who are proud to spout off that they are supporters of alkeida.. anyone even suspect should be deported... I also agree with the tory policy on immigration,,,except it should go further.. .. now mtbr.. take a valium, I still wouldnt vote for them..


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"The government believes Mr. Khadr would have no other recourse than to re-establish his ties with his family, a group of suspected terrorist-sympathizers espousing an extremists (sic) ideology."

Let's just refresh ourselves with the family:

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Ahmed Said Khadr
Born in Egypt, moved to Canada in 1977.
Accused of being a "founding member" of al-Qaeda and financier for the organization.
Put on a list of suspected terrorists after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
Killed in a shootout with Pakistani forces near the Afghanistan border.

Maha Khadr
Ahmed Said Khadr's wife
Born in Palestine, moved to Canada
Married Ahmed Said Khadr in Canada
Moved with husband six children to Afghanistan in the 1980s.

Zaynab Khadr
Daughter in Pakistan.
Allegations that she was involved with her her brother, Abdullah, in running an al-Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan in the 1990s.

Abdullah Khadr
Eldest son.
Information from the Taliban released on Feb. 4, 2004, suggested he may have been the suicide bomber who killed a Canadian soldier in Kabul in January 2004.
In an interview with CBC News on Feb. 25, 2004, Abdullah Khadr said, "If I was the suicide bomber, I wouldn't be doing this interview with you right now."
Had been accused of running an al-Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan in the 1990s. He denied it.
Returned to Canada on Dec. 7, 2005 after he was released from custody in Pakistan. He had been held there for a year. It was unclear who held him and why he was released.
Arrested in Toronto on Dec. 17, 2005 at the request of U.S. authorities. Bail is denied.
Indicted in Massachusetts on Feb. 8, 2006 on four charges, including conspiring to kill American soldiers in Afghanistan, conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction, and conspiracy to possess a destructive device to commit violent crimes. The charges carry a maximum sentence of life in prison and a million dollar fine.

Abdurahman Khadr
Calls himself the "black sheep" of the Khadr family.
Arrested as a suspected member of al-Qaeda in November 2001.
Transferred to Guantanamo Bay in early 2003
Released and sent to Afghanistan in July 2003.
Returned to Canada in October 2003.

Omar Khadr
Detained in July 2002 near Khost, Afghanistan at age 15 accused of killing a U.S. serviceman
Being held in Guantanamo Bay.

Abdul Karim Khadr
Paralysed from the waist down in the same shootout that killed his father.
Abdul Karim and mother return to Canada in April 2004 and are living in Toronto.


I hope they'd send nobody back into a family like that. I'd like to see them deported and the bill sent to Chretien for letting them in in the first place.

The kid went into a war zone to kill NATO troops. Change a year ot two and he could just as easy of killed Canadian troops also. I'd say the US gets first crack at prosecuting him. If they hand him over to Canada, I'd say something like first degree murder of 20 years with 10 taken off for time served. Considering we give murderers in Canada a slap on the wrist, I can't see making an example of him is going to be any worst.
In fact, prompting him and getting him to denounce the terrorism of Islam would be a big punch in the nose to those zelot assholes.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:16 pm
 


To quote the article:

"The report says a criminal trial with the usual evidence standards is all but impossible in a battlefield arrest, and doubts Khadr will ever cut ties with his family of "suspected terrorist-sympathizers.""

Holy shit. Somebody understands! Doesn't that make sense that there isn't much evidence for Khadr because the military doesn't have a CSI team tracking every single battalion's actions? If a soldier just shot him before or answer the incident...this really wouldn't be a big deal


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:20 pm
 


So he should be detained without a trial indefinitely just "because"?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:55 pm
 


Streaker wrote:
So he should be detained without a trial indefinitely just "because"?


Just because...

He got caught chucking a hand grenade that killed an American Medic, For you that maybe a good thing. For me it isn't.

Enemy Combatant = rules change


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:00 pm
 


Bodah wrote:
Streaker wrote:
So he should be detained without a trial indefinitely just "because"?


Just because...

He got caught chucking a hand grenade that killed an American Medic, For you that maybe a good thing. For me it isn't.


Why not prove this assertion in a court of law?


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Streaker wrote:
Bodah wrote:
Streaker wrote:
So he should be detained without a trial indefinitely just "because"?


Just because...

He got caught chucking a hand grenade that killed an American Medic, For you that maybe a good thing. For me it isn't.


Why not prove this assertion in a court of law?


Canadian law you mean ?


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Bodah wrote:
Streaker wrote:
Bodah wrote:

Just because...

He got caught chucking a hand grenade that killed an American Medic, For you that maybe a good thing. For me it isn't.


Why not prove this assertion in a court of law?


Canadian law you mean ?


Sure.

But you appear to be dodging the fundamental question that arises out of the Khadr situation: Is it justifiable for the powers-that-be to detain someone without any kind of trial for years on end?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:15 pm
 


Streaker wrote:
Why not prove this assertion in a court of law?


Because the military doesn't hire a CSI team to investigate every single captured enemy combatant they get?


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Streaker wrote:
Sure.

But you appear to be dodging the fundamental question that arises out of the Khadr situation: Is it justifiable for the powers-that-be to detain someone without any kind of trial for years on end?


In a state of war, yes.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:18 pm
 


Streaker wrote:
But you appear to be dodging the fundamental question that arises out of the Khadr situation: Is it justifiable for the powers-that-be to detain someone without any kind of trial for years on end?

Yes, when they are an enemy combatant.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:18 pm
 


commanderkai wrote:
Streaker wrote:
Why not prove this assertion in a court of law?


Because


Yeah, but I've already mentioned how that is an inadequate excuse.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:28 pm
 


Bodah wrote:
Streaker wrote:
Sure.

But you appear to be dodging the fundamental question that arises out of the Khadr situation: Is it justifiable for the powers-that-be to detain someone without any kind of trial for years on end?


In a state of war, yes.


Bodah, old chap, let us ponder a hypothetical situation: Let's say, for the sake of discussion, that most people hate your rancid, feces-impacted guts. Let's say - strictly hypothetically, of course - that most people believe you to be a greasy, herpes-ravaged, pus-filled twat of a guy who deserves to be jailed without trial.

How would that sit with you?

Although I personally take into account that Khadr was VERY young when he got dragged into this, I can agree with you that he probably is guilty of..... well, something, but I'm not sure what. Let's find out by putting this guy on trial.

No good can come out of us turning into an angry mob.


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