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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:12 pm
 


Title: KINSELLA: Trudeau's 'genocide' comment sparks international probe
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Date: 2019-06-08 22:09:39
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:13 pm
 


Sorry about the double post but this is the one I actually meant to post.

Apparently we're now under investigation for "genocide" by the OAS with our politically correct PM in the vanguard of the accused. 8O

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On Wednesday, one day after the Canadian Prime Minister said Canada had committed genocide against thousands of Indigenous women and girls, the Organization of American States announced it expected Canada to cooperate with its investigation.


This is going to get interesting because if the OAS sides with Trudeau and says that Canada committed "genocide" then as the leader he's also culpable and they have every right to request he be arrested and interned in the Hague for a trial to determine if he was complicit in the alleged genocide. And even if they don't find him guilty, he's made himself a pariah on the world stage. Nobody's gonna want to be photographed or seen dealing with a self confessed genocidal leader.

But what really stings is that, because of our PM's unbridled virtue signalling he has turned Canada from a well respected country into a pariah state that's on the same level of depravity as the 1990's Serbs or the 1914 Ottoman Empire. So, no matter what happens to Trudeau, like it or not Canadians will end up paying for his idiotic public statements.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:39 am
 


Oh the Sun, always the bastion of responsible journalism.

The notice of investigation was on the 3rd. Trudeau statements happened on the 4th. The investigation is not starting because of what Trudeau said, but because of the report.

That doesn't mean he hasn't made the investigation worse for himself by saying it though.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:41 am
 


https://twitter.com/Almagro_OEA2015/sta ... 92/photo/1

The letter send to Freeland. Notice the date.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:53 am
 


Tricks wrote:
Oh the Sun, always the bastion of responsible journalism.


Warren Kinsella isn't a reliable enough source for you? The G&M, Ottawa Citizen, the NP and the Walrus (among others) don't seem to have a problem with Kinsella. Why do you?


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PublicAnimalNo9 wrote:
Tricks wrote:
Oh the Sun, always the bastion of responsible journalism.


Warren Kinsella isn't a reliable enough source for you? The G&M, Ottawa Citizen, the NP and the Walrus (among others) don't seem to have a problem with Kinsella. Why do you?

Because he's wrong? :lol:

Trudeau says something stupid on the 4th. Investigation notification happens on the 3rd.

TrUdEaU CaUsEd ThIs GuYs!

Gotta give him credit for his time machine I guess.

I also love your blatant copying of his wikipedia page entry. ROTFL I also enjoy how it says "including The Globe and Mail, the Toronto Sun, Ottawa Citizen, the National Post and The Walrus" but lists nothing further. Where'd you get the "among others"?


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:36 am
 


Tricks wrote:
Oh the Sun, always the bastion of responsible journalism.

The notice of investigation was on the 3rd. Trudeau statements happened on the 4th. The investigation is not starting because of what Trudeau said, but because of the report.

That doesn't mean he hasn't made the investigation worse for himself by saying it though.





But this may very well be the reason he admitted to "genocide".


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If Canada wants to be a human rights leader and address the crisis of missing and murdered Indigenous women and girls, it will first have to acknowledge ongoing genocide, says a leading First Nations lawyer and advocate.

Pam Palmater, chair of Indigenous Governance at Ryerson University, says the prime minister must go further than saying he “accepts” the National Inquiry into Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls’ findings of genocide.

“It is the most fundamental and important thing that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau could do, to stand up and have the honour and the integrity and the sense of accountability and the commitment to human rights and Native issues, and say: ‘We did this. Canada, we engaged in long-term acts of genocide through our laws, policies and practices. We created this crisis, we accept full responsibility for it.

“And now we’re going to find a way forward and we’re going to be thankful that Indigenous peoples are still willing to work with us despite the fact that we are guilty of this.’”

Palmater, a Mi’kmaq lawyer with standing in the national inquiry, said if Trudeau does not acknowledge Canada’s continued genocide against Indigenous peoples, the prime minister will jeopardize the country’s reputation.



Pam Palmater, Chair of Indigenous Governance at Ryerson University, says Trudeau “needs to stand as a leader” and admit to Canada’s ongoing genocide against Indigenous peoples. APTN file photo.

“Canada is always the one that calls out other countries for their genocide or for their gross violations of human rights,” she says. “However, in order for Canada to retain its integrity and its place in the international community as a defender of human rights and Native rights, then it needs to stand up and say, ‘Listen global community, this is how you do it when you commit a crime.’

“You stand up, you take accountability, and let the chips fall where they may.”

Canada is presently vying for a seat on the United Nations Security Council, where it hasn’t had a spot in two decades.

In the fall of 2020 the UN General Assembly will choose between Canada, Ireland and Norway for the prestigious seat, which carries with it significant diplomatic power on the global stage.

“We are determined to help the UN make even greater strides in support of its goals for all of humanity,” Trudeau said in 2016 when he announced Canada’s bid for the seat.

“My friends, it’s time. It’s time for Canada to step up once again.”

Palmater says Canada “needs to stand as a leader, because if it can’t, then what strength does it have to call on other countries to end their genocides, or their gross violations of human rights?”

On Tuesday reporters continued to press the prime minister on his personal view of the Inquiry’s findings of genocide.

Trudeau doubled down on his talking point that Canada “accept[s] the findings of the commissioners that it was genocide.

“But our focus is going to be, as it must be, on the families, on the communities that have suffered such loss. On the systems that have repeatedly failed Indigenous women and girls across this country.”


But it likely won't end here or with the OAS investigation. Apparently some people won't be happy till our PM admits to his part as leader of Canada in the supposed "ongoing genocide" which, if he really loses his mind and does almost guarantee's that this stink is going to stay with us long after he's gone from the public eye.

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Families of missing and murdered Indigenous women and girls have said they want to hear Trudeau acknowledge Canada’s ongoing genocide of Indigenous peoples.


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But the prime minister said Tuesday that “people are getting wrapped up in debates over a very important, powerful term.”

Pressed further by APTN News at a women’s conference in Vancouver, Trudeau again did not refer to genocide in the present context, situating it only in Canada’s past.

When he did refer to the present, Trudeau called the epidemic of missing and murdered Indigenous women, girls and 2SLGBTQQIA peoples an “ongoing national tragedy.”

During Monday’s ceremony in Gatineau, Que. to mark the national inquiry’s release of the final report, Commissioner Michelle Audette said, “to the people who don’t think there’s a genocide today, we have 1,200 pages.”

After the ceremony Audette told reporters she was “hoping that [Trudeau] would have that courage” to say the word “genocide”.

During his speech at Monday’s ceremony Trudeau didn’t utter the word genocide, despite cries from the audience that he say it.

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On Monday evening Trudeau used the word genocide, but only in the context of the national inquiry’s report.

He still has not officially stated whether he agrees with the Inquiry’s findings.


On Tuesday Liberal Cree MP for Winnipeg, Robert-Falcon Ouellette, made similar comments to the prime minister.

“The contact between Europeans and Indigenous peoples in North America clearly constitutes genocide,” he said in a statement to reporters. “It occurred in 1491 and…we still suffer the ripples of those effects to this day.”

Pressed on whether he thinks genocide is still taking place against Indigenous peoples, Ouellette said, “We’re still suffering the impacts and we suffer a lot of the impacts related to what occurred in contact.”

On Tuesday the national inquiry’s four commissioners released a joint statement saying “the acceptance of our findings of fact by the federal government, especially our finding of genocide, is an acceptance of the truths shared by families and survivors.

“They no longer need to convince others that genocide is a part of Canadian history. We expect that all governments will move forward and promptly implement our Calls for Justice.”

Last month the Canadian Museum for Human Rights (CMHR) changed its policy on the issue of genocide in Canada.

In a May 16 tweet from the museum’s official account, it said the CMHR “considers the entire colonial experience in Canada, from first contact to today, as genocide.”


https://aptnnews.ca/2019/06/05/its-so-i ... -genocide/

Now he won't say "genocide" and is trying to claim that he has never said he agrees with the MMIW inquiry findings. Sorry, but that won't wash. He came out opened his piehole and put himself and the rest of in the crosshairs of world condemnation by using the "genocide" term when it quite clearly didn't fit the parameters.


Unfortunately almost everyone in Canada could see this train wreck coming given Trudeau's complete and utter subjugation to any and all natives complaints. So, now that's he's dragged the rest of us through the mud with him all we can do is hope that when he's called before the OAS inquiry he won't still be the Prime Minister of Canada.

Because, if he can do this kind of damage with one ill spoken word can you image how much damage he can do if he's allowed to flagellate himself for his liberal guilt before the entire world.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:11 pm
 


Freakinoldguy wrote:

But this may very well be the reason he admitted to "genocide".
Quite possibly. But that's not what the article says.

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KINSELLA: Trudeau's 'genocide' comment sparks international probe


That's flat out wrong. Nor is that what your comment says. So your whole initial diatribe is literal nonsense.

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Now he won't say "genocide" and is trying to claim that he has never said he agrees with the MMIW inquiry findings. Sorry, but that won't wash. He came out opened his piehole and put himself and the rest of in the crosshairs of world condemnation by using the "genocide" term when it quite clearly didn't fit the parameters.
That's not at all what he said. Even your own article disagrees with you. Did you even read it?

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Trudeau doubled down on his talking point that Canada “accept[s] the findings of the commissioners that it was genocide.


What he isn't doing is stating what is currently happening is genocide.

Seriously, if you guys are going to post articles, or sources, to support your position, you should probably read them first.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:30 pm
 


I agree with Tricks that Liberal journalist Warren Kinsella got his dates wrong and that suggests we need to be on our guard for things like date niggles from Liberal journalism.

Perhaps the Sun should provide greater scrutiny when it allows Liberals to contribute stories.

However I do agree with Kinsella that our leader calling current Canadians committers of genocide doesn't make Justin or us look good to the international community. It was another gigantic boner committed by our Prime Minister. Especially since it was a massively stupid and wrong statement from Trudeau. There is no genocide happening.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:47 pm
 


I'm glad all this is happening because it's fucking hilarious, especially with a Liberal in power. :lol:


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Agreed but it becomes a little less funny when we remember Junior forked out 92 million dollars of taxpayer money to make it happen.


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Well, it is his legacy that matters after all. We got too spooky-scary under the demon Harper, with all our war and such, so he absolutely had to recast Canada in the image of a pathologically apologizing cry-baby. Too bad no one knows or really cares about Canadian history anymore. The Liberals are always so proud that they've been the Natural Governing Party in power most often since Confederation. If anyone bothered with dates and who was in charge then the Liberals would have to take the responsibility for being the government most of the time while all the "genocide"-ing was going on.

I have no patience for Canada's two-faced bullshit anymore. When things like this happen it's good because it's just another well-deserved slap across the face of this stupid, smug, and self-satisfied country. We're not better than anyone else out there and we've NEVER been better than anyone else. We're just much better at slinging a line of crap propaganda much better than the others can. Time to get used to it. :evil:


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:15 pm
 


What have I been telling you guys for awhile now... stop electing politicians!

They are the worst people you can choose to govern.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:50 pm
 


Okay since people seem to be stuck on the he said she said part of the arguments allow me to ask you the following questions.

Did Trudeau say the gov't (him) accepted that what's happened to the MMIW in recent decades amounts to "genocide"?

Did Trudeau accept that the findings of the inquiry amount to "genocide"

Were Trudeau's comments a departure from what he said he night before?

Is the Organization of American States an International Organization?

Is the OAS going to conduct an inquiry into Canada's admission of "genocide"

Was the term "genocide" accurate?


Answer those questions honestly and you'll have the answer as to why Trudeau's virtue signalling comments have created an international incident and embarrassed Canada.


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Freakinoldguy wrote:
Okay since people seem to be stuck on the he said she said part of the arguments allow me to ask you the following questions.

Did Trudeau say the gov't (him) accepted that what's happened to the MMIW in recent decades amounts to "genocide"?
yes
Did Trudeau accept that the findings of the inquiry amount to "genocide"
yes
Were Trudeau's comments a departure from what he said he night before?
yes
Is the Organization of American States an International Organization?
yes
Is the OAS going to conduct an inquiry into Canada's admission of "genocide"
yes, but in blue
Was the term "genocide" accurate?
No

Answer those questions honestly and you'll have the answer as to why Trudeau's virtue signalling comments have created an international incident and embarrassed Canada.


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