[Regina]

Sorry Batsy.......I deleted your post by mistake.

Thought it was a double post.

[Regina]

That's weird.............now I have a double post.

[EyeBrock]

Unsound wrote:

EyeBrock wrote:

andy, andy andy. As quick as ever to take the opposing side of anything we dreaded Tory voters post.

Ra Ra Taliban. We know which side you are on.

Yawn.

Pretty sure that's not what he said.

I got, and agree with, that the reason things like that video get more play than the things the taliban do is because it's more shocking for our guys to do something kinda bad, than it is for their guys to do something terrible. That's why we're the "good guys". That's why we're there.

Holding our guys to higher standard doesn't mean you're on the side of the Taliban. In fact, I would argue that it means the opposite. I hold our guys to higher standard because I know they can meet it. I wouldn't, at this point in time, hold any of the afghans to the same standard because I know their culture isn't as civilized and they can't hope to meet those standards. I just hope that all the lives lost over there help to get them on that road.

andy has a slightly different reason for being on here than you Unsound. He's a self professed shit stirrer and is just looking for a fight. His credibility suffers accordingly.

Your point that we are better than them etc is all very noble and all that. Nobility doesn’t stop our guys from getting their legs blown off by an IED.

My point is that we, led by our less than supportive media, rush to highlight any bad news stories/footage that they can find on our guys and judge our guys in the optics akin to the supposed and expected conduct of warrior-saints.

You seem quite happy to give the Taliban a free pass on this because they aren’t quite as ‘civilised’ as us.

Utter tosh.

One doesn’t need to come from a civilised society to realise that repressing women, raping boys and killing guys for the wrong length beard etc is very bad.

It’s patently wrong regardless of the social development of the society that engages in such shitty practices that are the norm in Afghanistan and other Third-World shit holes.

Giving excuses for brutal and murderous behaviour and in the same breath condemning discreditable conduct by our troops is disingenuous.

Just as there are no excuses for pissing on dead guys who were trying to kill you a moment ago, there shouldn’t be any excuses for our enemies that are repressing, beating, killing and maiming their own people hourly as well as trying to kill our guys.

Or did you forget that they are trying to kill and have killed a lot of our guys?

[andyt]

What fucking excuses? Have you got a link?

[Curtman]

EyeBrock wrote:

No but reposting idiots pissing on dead terrorists doesn't help the US and just helps the Tallies. It’s easy to rush to the comfort of our enemies on seeing a youtube clip.
I'd be all over you posting incidents of atrocities by the Taliban or the local thuggery that passes for the man-in-the-street in Afghanistan for a bit of balance.

We seem so quick to judge our guys for negative conduct and equally quick to excuse real atrocities that our enemies commit.

Whatever you think about the US troops bad conduct, they pissed on guys who kill and maim our guys and kill and maim women, children and other Afghans.

I don't consider the actions of a few idiots reflective of the U.S. troops conduct. I believe that the majority of them are there out of a sense of duty to their country, and a desire to make things better. But to take a video of them doing that and post it on Youtube, even an idiot should know that it's going to get a response, and it's going to cause more suffering and work against their goals. The burning of their holy books is equally provocative and disrespectful. They should punish those idiots severely or they risk looking like invaders.

[EyeBrock]

I agree Curt.

[andyt]

EyeBrock wrote:

I agree Curt.

180.

[andyt]

Curtman wrote:

I don't consider the actions of a few idiots reflective of the U.S. troops conduct. I believe that the majority of them are there out of a sense of duty to their country, and a desire to make things better. But to take a video of them doing that and post it on Youtube, even an idiot should know that it's going to get a response, and it's going to cause more suffering and work against their goals. The burning of their holy books is equally provocative and disrespectful. They should punish those idiots severely or they risk looking like invaders.

Punishment is the least of it, Curt. It's education. The article doesn't say that these Korans were burned to insult, maybe the soldiers were just disposing of waste paper and didn't think about the meaning for the Afghans. 80% of green on blue attacks are deemed to come from this sort of thing - you'd think NATO would have it figured out by now.

And they'll look like Invaders no matter what they do. NATO forces could convert to Islam and they'd still be seen as invaders. Wrong tribe and all.

[BartSimpson]

My point of view on Afghanistan is already on record. Give the place to China and let them do what we do not have the nerve to do.

[andyt]

BartSimpson wrote:

My point of view on Afghanistan is already on record. Give the place to China and let them do what we do not have the nerve to do.

Ok, Bart, thanks for the contribution. I'm sure China is just salivating to go in and commit genocide - it will make China's own Muslims so happy.

[DanSC]

Regina wrote:

Ummmm......I doubt that, just too many crusades and such over the millenniums.

The Crusades weren't mechanized though.

As a Christian, I'd like to add that if you burn a Bible, I won't care.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

EB wrote:

My point is that we, led by our less than supportive media, rush to highlight any bad news stories/footage that they can find on our guys and judge our guys in the optics akin to the supposed and expected conduct of warrior-saints.

It ain't just with soldiers either. Anytime some whackjob gets the idea to burn a Koran, the media is all over it like a fat kid on a smartie. Yet there have been numerous public Bible burnings by Muslims since 2005 but the media over here won't touch the stories.
Same with the priest that got dragged before the CHRC for denouncing Islam. At least one of the "journalists" just had add to their own editorial bullshit. Yet, so far at least, 4 imams in Canada have been known to preach hatred of the west, yet when reported about, all we got were the facts of the story. No editorializing. No telling us how that kind of behaviour isn't acceptable in Canada.
The western media, for the most part, is a complete joke these days.

[BartSimpson]

andyt wrote:

BartSimpson wrote:

My point of view on Afghanistan is already on record. Give the place to China and let them do what we do not have the nerve to do.

Ok, Bart, thanks for the contribution. I'm sure China is just salivating to go in and commit genocide - it will make China's own Muslims so happy.

China's muslims have learned what happens to them when they don't behave. That's why I'm saying that the Chinese are better equipped to deal with these people.

In April 2008 when the West was fawning all over Obama and when all we saw in China was their Olympic Village the Chinese were dealing with the most violent outbreak of Uighur separatism since about 1998.

The Uighur rebels, about 40,000 of them, hunkered down in an ancient city thinking that its World Heritage Site status would protect them.

It didn't.

China bombed it flat. The rebels who survived and were captured were summarily executed.

Approximately 40,000 muslim Uighurs were put to the proverbial sword. Another 10,000 to 100,000 died in the aftermath as Chinese security went through the region huniting down anyone with pro-separatist sentiments.

Other than a few news sources at the time no one said a thing.

Therefore, I propose to let the Chinese repeat that performance in Afghanistan.

[EyeBrock]

PublicAnimalNo9 wrote:

EB wrote:

My point is that we, led by our less than supportive media, rush to highlight any bad news stories/footage that they can find on our guys and judge our guys in the optics akin to the supposed and expected conduct of warrior-saints.

It ain't just with soldiers either. Anytime some whackjob gets the idea to burn a Koran, the media is all over it like a fat kid on a smartie. Yet there have been numerous public Bible burnings by Muslims since 2005 but the media over here won't touch the stories.
Same with the priest that got dragged before the CHRC for denouncing Islam. At least one of the "journalists" just had add to their own editorial bullshit. Yet, so far at least, 4 imams in Canada have been known to preach hatred of the west, yet when reported about, all we got were the facts of the story. No editorializing. No telling us how that kind of behaviour isn't acceptable in Canada.
The western media, for the most part, is a complete joke these days.

I agree. My G20 experience was most illuminating. Having been there and seen it first hand and then watching blatant lies or half truths on the TV news totally distorting the facts or reading utter lies in the press, really opened my eyes.

I don't know when our media stopped reporting the facts and replacing those facts with agenda driven narratives but I trust nothing I read in the press or watch on TV.

That's what makes me laugh when I see posters on here using media reports as a 'source' to prove their points.

[OnTheIce]

BartSimpson wrote:

andyt wrote:

BartSimpson wrote:

My point of view on Afghanistan is already on record. Give the place to China and let them do what we do not have the nerve to do.

Ok, Bart, thanks for the contribution. I'm sure China is just salivating to go in and commit genocide - it will make China's own Muslims so happy.

China's muslims have learned what happens to them when they don't behave. That's why I'm saying that the Chinese are better equipped to deal with these people.

In April 2008 when the West was fawning all over Obama and when all we saw in China was their Olympic Village the Chinese were dealing with the most violent outbreak of Uighur separatism since about 1998.

The Uighur rebels, about 40,000 of them, hunkered down in an ancient city thinking that its World Heritage Site status would protect them.

It didn't.

China bombed it flat. The rebels who survived and were captured were summarily executed.

Approximately 40,000 muslim Uighurs were put to the proverbial sword. Another 10,000 to 100,000 died in the aftermath as Chinese security went through the region huniting down anyone with pro-separatist sentiments.

Other than a few news sources at the time no one said a thing.

Therefore, I propose to let the Chinese repeat that performance in Afghanistan.

I second that.

There's a few other places too.