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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:36 am
 


Title: Kudos to Harper for Haitian rescue effort
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Date: 2010-01-13 17:39:15
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Kudos for sending help without any questions asked. Also, it makes me proud to see the military so responsive at the drop of a dime. Good jobs all around and good luck helping those in need.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:52 pm
 


Yup. I watched the news this morning and Canada is really stepping up to the plate. Good job!


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It is good to see, and as my colleague on the other side of the House, I mean forum said (the Right Honourable Derby, Liberal Land South) , the Libs were the guys behind DART and the Tories got the C17's.

Both governments did good on this and we should all pat each other on the back, Liberals and Tories, for making sure we had the capability to respond so quickly in Haiti's hour of need.

I think they now need to deploy air-to-air tankers (Airbus) to a nearby island as apparently fuel is an issue at Port au Prince.


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It's a pity the Liberal spokesman Justice and Human Rights couldn't help himself from partisan politics though.

http://twitter.com/ujjaldosanjh/status/7730282986

Faster than two weeks it took you and your troops for the Tsunami Dosanjh.

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McCallum slagging our troops off as war criminals and this idiot trying to accuse the Government of slow reactions to Haiti.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:20 pm
 


EyeBrock EyeBrock:
It's a pity the Liberal spokesman Justice and Human Rights couldn't help himself from partisan politics though.

http://twitter.com/ujjaldosanjh/status/7730282986

Faster than two weeks it took you and your troops for the Tsunami Dosanjh.

Plonker.

McCallum slagging our troops off as war criminals and this idiot trying to accuse the Government of slow reactions to Haiti.

Nice.


Just two of the many reasons I can't see myself voting Liberal anytime soon.

Nice to see a PM who didn't have to study something to death before acting. :roll: Good luck troops. :rock:


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:32 pm
 


How long will it be before the ultimate cynic suggests Harper's fast reaction was a way to court the immigrant vote in Quebec?


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2Cdo 2Cdo:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
It's a pity the Liberal spokesman Justice and Human Rights couldn't help himself from partisan politics though.

http://twitter.com/ujjaldosanjh/status/7730282986

Faster than two weeks it took you and your troops for the Tsunami Dosanjh.

Plonker.

McCallum slagging our troops off as war criminals and this idiot trying to accuse the Government of slow reactions to Haiti.

Nice.


Just two of the many reasons I can't see myself voting Liberal anytime soon.

Nice to see a PM who didn't have to study something to death before acting. :roll: Good luck troops. :rock:


Agreed. It's bad enough to have an MP saying this, a former MND makes it downright ugly. :evil:


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:36 pm
 


EyeBrock EyeBrock:
It's a pity the Liberal spokesman Justice and Human Rights couldn't help himself from partisan politics though.

http://twitter.com/ujjaldosanjh/status/7730282986

Faster than two weeks it took you and your troops for the Tsunami Dosanjh.

Plonker.

McCallum slagging our troops off as war criminals and this idiot trying to accuse the Government of slow reactions to Haiti.

Nice.



Wow, that's just sad. (on Dosanjh's part, not yours)

I do have a question...would air tankers actually be able to carry fuel that isn't made for aircraft? Or are you specifically referring to helping to fuel aircraft to help them take off? I remember reading there is a fuel shortage in the country, but wouldn't it be more cost effective to get an oil tanker from the US Gulf coast (or wherever else) there to supply the fuel?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:47 pm
 


Gunnair Gunnair:
How long will it be before the ultimate cynic suggests Harper's fast reaction was a way to court the immigrant vote in Quebec?


Don't quote me or nothing but I think on the CBC site it is found in some of the comments after one of the many stories about the quake. The same people will call it a "photo op" if the PM heads down there but if a Liberal MP goes it is "fact finding". :roll:


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2Cdo 2Cdo:
Gunnair Gunnair:
How long will it be before the ultimate cynic suggests Harper's fast reaction was a way to court the immigrant vote in Quebec?


Don't quote me or nothing but I think on the CBC site it is found in some of the comments after one of the many stories about the quake. The same people will call it a "photo op" if the PM heads down there but if a Liberal MP goes it is "fact finding". :roll:



I'm not surprised.


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commanderkai commanderkai:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
It's a pity the Liberal spokesman Justice and Human Rights couldn't help himself from partisan politics though.

http://twitter.com/ujjaldosanjh/status/7730282986

Faster than two weeks it took you and your troops for the Tsunami Dosanjh.

Plonker.

McCallum slagging our troops off as war criminals and this idiot trying to accuse the Government of slow reactions to Haiti.

Nice.



Wow, that's just sad. (on Dosanjh's part, not yours)

I do have a question...would air tankers actually be able to carry fuel that isn't made for aircraft? Or are you specifically referring to helping to fuel aircraft to help them take off? I remember reading there is a fuel shortage in the country, but wouldn't it be more cost effective to get an oil tanker from the US Gulf coast (or wherever else) there to supply the fuel?


The C17's have an air refuelling capability. It's kinda SOP to top up transports with AAR on tac missions where there are payload issues. Fuel is weight. Take off with diversion fuel and get refueled in flight would be a good way of managing any fuel supply problems. I'm sure some guy in a Blue-Grey suit is working on this right now.
The Brits did the same with the air-transport airbridge during the early days of the re-occupation of the Falklands. A C130 would get refuelled 2 or 3 times en route to Stanley from the Ascensions.





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Gunnair Gunnair:
How long will it be before the ultimate cynic suggests Harper's fast reaction was a way to court the immigrant vote in Quebec?


No, no how long will it be before they accuse Harper for helping out his Haitian prorogation girlfriend the GG?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:08 pm
 


EyeBrock EyeBrock:
The C17's have an air refuelling capability. It's kinda SOP to top up transports with AAR on tac missions where there are payload issues. Fuel is weight. Take off with diversion fuel and get refueled in flight would be a good way of managing any fuel supply problems. I'm sure some guy in a Blue-Grey suit is working on this right now.
The Brits did the same with the air-transport airbridge during the early days of the re-occupation of the Falklands. A C130 would get refuelled 2 or 3 times en route to Stanley from the Ascensions.


I understand this, but the shortage of fuel for aircraft (to me, anyway) doesn't seem as big of an issue considering (unlike Britain during the Falklands War) there's a good number of allies in the region willing to provide fuel. I bet even neutral powers would be willing, since it's disaster relief and not a war effort. I thought the fuel shortage was more in terms of gasoline and fuel for electrical power generation


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commanderkai commanderkai:
EyeBrock EyeBrock:
The C17's have an air refuelling capability. It's kinda SOP to top up transports with AAR on tac missions where there are payload issues. Fuel is weight. Take off with diversion fuel and get refueled in flight would be a good way of managing any fuel supply problems. I'm sure some guy in a Blue-Grey suit is working on this right now.
The Brits did the same with the air-transport airbridge during the early days of the re-occupation of the Falklands. A C130 would get refuelled 2 or 3 times en route to Stanley from the Ascensions.


I understand this, but the shortage of fuel for aircraft (to me, anyway) doesn't seem as big of an issue considering (unlike Britain during the Falklands War) there's a good number of allies in the region willing to provide fuel. I bet even neutral powers would be willing, since it's disaster relief and not a war effort. I thought the fuel shortage was more in terms of gasoline and fuel for electrical power generation


Your talking on quite a feat of logistics to set up a fuel link to the airport from a tanker terminal that will need to be constructed.

Basing a few air tankers at a nearby island nation, operate an air tanker service for our C17's in mid air.
Our guys could do this tonight. Logistic support for 3 tankers would probably amount to 250 guys and airfield support equipment.


Much easier fix to the fuel issue for our C17's than a build and rely on a vunerable fuel line from sea. Having the C17's stuck on the deck in Haiti is a piss-poor use of a key aircraft for strat and tac airlift.


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