[Newsbot]

Title: Li fled psychiatric treatment in 2004
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: ridenrain
Date: 2009-03-05 12:44:38
Canadian

[mtbr]

So he's been down that road once before, why do we think it's going to help this time?

[Proculation]

This guy will never bring any good to society. It's in case like that that I miss the death penalty.

[Akhenaten]

This story changes everything.

[Donny_Brasco]

Well if we could hold weirdos and wackos indefinitely whenever we wanted then most of you would be under the mandatory supervision of a team of psychiatrists for a long, long time.

You have a 100,000 times better chance of dieing in your car tonight on your way home from work then you ever do of being killed by an insane loon like Li. Shit happens, it is really a shame but there is nothing practical we could do or could have ever done to prevent this or any other similar event.

[bootlegga]

The big difference between 2004 and 2009 is the where at the mental institution he will be held. Most of the mental institutions (at least here in Alberta) are pretty much come and go as you please, with the exception of those incarcerated for crimes such as Li.

In cases like that, they are put in the 'Forensics' Bldg, which resembles a prison more than a hospital, with locking doors, cameras, security guards and all the rest.

The facility that he will likely be staying at includes a Forensic facility.

Quote:

Admission to the Forensic Program occurs via the Justice system for individuals:
18 years of age or older
Diagnosed with a chronic major mental illness
Require long term psychiatric care & rehabilitation
Require a secure health facility

http://www.gov.mb.ca/health/smhc/forensic.html

[Akhenaten]

Quote:

You have a 100,000 times better chance of dieing in your car tonight on your way home from work then you ever do of being killed by an insane loon like Li.

With respect, so? Then we just let Li go right? Because you figure the chance that any individual one of us being killed by him is so very low?



That's not really making sense.
Akh

[Donny_Brasco]

Akhenaten wrote:

Quote:

You have a 100,000 times better chance of dieing in your car tonight on your way home from work then you ever do of being killed by an insane loon like Li.

With respect, so? Then we just let Li go right? Because you figure the chance that any individual one of us being killed by him is so very low?



That's not really making sense.
Akh

I didn't say let him go.

Just don't try to draw conclusions or lay blame because he was in the nuthouse and he walked away.

There is no epidemic of Freddy Kruger’s and Jason’s and Li's in this country. Live a good life, enjoy every day to its fullest and quit fearmongering about guys like this. It is simply not predictable or preventable.

1 in 330,000,000 got killed by a crazy psycho on a bus last year in North America.

That is as close as you can get to impossible odds. So lets forget about it and move on.

[RUEZ]

Donny_Brasco wrote:

1 in 330,000,000 got killed by a crazy psycho on a bus last year in North America.

Are you retarded? Seriously? Just because only one person had their head cut off on a bus doesn't mean we shouldn't be concerned about people with mental problems. I'm concerned about you.

[Yogi]

Donny_Brasco wrote:

I didn't say let him go.

Just don't try to draw conclusions or lay blame because he was in the nuthouse and he walked away.

There is no epidemic of Freddy Kruger’s and Jason’s and Li's in this country. Live a good life, enjoy every day to its fullest and quit fearmongering about guys like this. It is simply not predictable or preventable.

1 in 330,000,000 got killed by a crazy psycho on a bus last year in North America.

That is as close as you can get to impossible odds. So lets forget about it and move on.

It was predicted and could have been prevented!

[ridenrain]

They knew he had problems and yet they let him walk away and off his meds.
He might be too mental to stand trial but whoever was in charge when they let him go should be fired immediately... the the person who let him into the country.

[Donny_Brasco]

Yogi wrote:

It was predicted and could have been prevented!

Really? Explain to me how you could have prevented this.


Better yet, how are you going to prevent the next one?

[TattoodGirl]

Obviously, he wasnt pinked...so he could walk away from hospital. If he were pinked, and that is only if he poses a threat to himself and others, there would have been an alert put out for his arrest under the Mental Health Act.

It is impossible to tell if anyone, will have a murderous psychotic break...its asinine to say lock up anyone with a mental illness. Anyone, regardless of a history of mental illness can have a psychotic break, given enough stressors.

PTSD displays the same symptoms of Schizophrenia...should we lock up all soldiers coming back from over seas, on the premise they may have a psychotic break and slay someone?

[Donny_Brasco]

Lock em up.

As a matter of fact, new mothers may also suffer from periods of mental illness.

Lets lock em up too.

Cops who witness brutal trauma suffer as well, PTSD...Firefighters, post office workers who sort through the endless hordes of mail that come day after day after day sometimes "go postal"...

Lock em all up. And then I'm sure you'll "predict and prevent" all of this axemurderng and chainsaw massacring.

[Yogi]

Donny_Brasco wrote:

Yogi wrote:

It was predicted and could have been prevented!

Really? Explain to me how you could have prevented this.


Better yet, how are you going to prevent the next one?

The determination that Li was ' a danger to himself or others' had already been made. He ran away! If the doctors at the time had obtained a 'warrant of commital' instead of just saying " Oh well. Let him go", this tradgedy could quite possibly have been avoided. How to prevent such from ever happening again there are no guarantees but does that mean that 'we' shouldn't try? Especially when a person is professionally recognized as being a danger to themselves or others.

'OTHERS'is 'you and I !