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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:41 pm
 


Title: Liberals set to legislate a �right to housing� through omnibus budget bill
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Posted By: Freakinoldguy
Date: 2019-04-11 16:31:01
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Just wondering where the outrage from the people who had complete melt downs when Harper pushed his ominbus bills through is?

But since omnibus bills appear to be how gov'ts now operate could someone correct me if I'm wrong but, I don't remember of any of the previous gov'ts Harper's included passing Onminubus bills that usurped the power of future gov'ts to legislate in the manner the people who voted for them want?


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The budget bill would set into law rules for the Liberals� 10-year national housing strategy, now valued at more than $55 billion, impose those rules on future governments and create two new oversight bodies meant to make sure the spending reduces homelessness.


https://globalnews.ca/news/5155465/libe ... dget-bill/


If future gov'ts continue passing unchangeable bills like Trudeau's Liberals are attempting, eventually there won't be any laws or legislation allowed to be changed because they'll all be locked into place by a previous gov't.

A fact which will lead to gridlock and eventually remove the need for politicians all together (which is a good thing) since every bill will be irrefutably etched in stone. ROTFL


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:19 pm
 


This is Bull! No government should be able to demand that a future government that is properly elected must follow the current government's plans and strategies. this would make for an easy dictatorship take over.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:30 am
 


Freakinoldguy wrote:
Just wondering where the outrage from the people who had complete melt downs when Harper pushed his ominbus bills through is?


They left the board because of all the racism, bigotry and hate that floats around here now.

Cfox wrote:
This is Bull! No government should be able to demand that a future government that is properly elected must follow the current government's plans and strategies.


Why not? Governments do it all the time. This isn't like the US where the new President will counter every Presidential decree of his predecessor. Once legislation receives Royal Assent, it's very hard to retract.


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Cfox wrote:
This is Bull! No government should be able to demand that a future government that is properly elected must follow the current government's plans and strategies. this would make for an easy dictatorship take over.

Yeah! it's almost like they're planning for the future! #Dictators #death_of_democracy


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llama66 wrote:
Cfox wrote:
This is Bull! No government should be able to demand that a future government that is properly elected must follow the current government's plans and strategies. this would make for an easy dictatorship take over.

Yeah! it's almost like they're planning for the future! #Dictators #death_of_democracy
Well, we are talking about Groper, a man who admires China's dictatorship and has had words of praise for other dictators.
You can also see it in the way he needs to control everything, forgetting that he is a public servant, not our fucking ruler.

Honestly, at no time have I ever truly reviled and hated a govt like Groper and gang, and to be fair, the McWynnty double disaster.

To be sure, I've been disappointed and pissed off with various other govts but I have never had this kind of visceral hate I have for this new crop of ALT-left, faux Liberal pieces of shit. Emotional and moral relativism rule the day. Using your right to criticize govt policy is now "engaging in the politics of division". Common sense has suddenly become a White nationalist ideal. Basic rights like the right to self-determination (re: Brexit) or border sovereignty are now considered "nazi" ideals.

And I want to be clear as well, I do not consider traditional left-of-center liberals to be ALT-left trash. I have no problem with actual, real liberals. But simply calling oneself a liberal does not make one a liberal. North Korea calls itself a democratic people's republic yet I think we can all agree that their name is 3 lies for the price of 1.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:45 am
 


I don't like him either, but to equate declaring "Housing as a Right" to the road to Tyranny and Dictatorship is laughable. Most laws that receive royal assent force future governments to abide by them. What pisses me off is how the first term of every new Government is spent dismantling the legacy of the previous government, often with little regard for public opinion on the matter. That's more in the vein of a dictatorship. Government need to remember who they work for. (hint: its not corporations)


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:51 am
 


"A right to housing" means they have a right to buy a house or to take someone else's?


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I have the right to live in your house and eat all of Mrs. Bart's burgers.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:49 pm
 


DrCaleb wrote:
Freakinoldguy wrote:
Just wondering where the outrage from the people who had complete melt downs when Harper pushed his ominbus bills through is?


They left the board because of all the racism, bigotry and hate opinions other than their own that floats around here now.


FTFY. [B-o]


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:49 pm
 


llama66 wrote:
I have the right to live in your house and eat all of Mrs. Bart's burgers.


You may not have a right to do that but you're certainly welcome to! [B-o]


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:30 pm
 


DrCaleb wrote:
Freakinoldguy wrote:
Just wondering where the outrage from the people who had complete melt downs when Harper pushed his ominbus bills through is?


They left the board because of all the racism, bigotry and hate that floats around here now.

Cfox wrote:
This is Bull! No government should be able to demand that a future government that is properly elected must follow the current government's plans and strategies.


Why not? Governments do it all the time. This isn't like the US where the new President will counter every Presidential decree of his predecessor. Once legislation receives Royal Assent, it's very hard to retract.




You're kidding me right? Because, I haven't been called all that many disgusting and less than flattering names since most of these supposed paragons of virtue left. So, I hate to break it to you but, if they left because of all the racism, bigotry and hate, they left because they were part of the problem.

And now onto the topic at hand. Every bill that has been passed with "Royal Assent" has been reversible. All Royal Assent does is allow it to become a law and as we all know laws can be changed because if they couldn't, you wouldn't be smoking pot legally, would you?

What Trudeau's trying to do is something totally different and it certainly isn't anything any Gov't has had the nerve to attempted before. What he's doing is acting like some tin pot dictator and attempting to hamstring every successive gov'ts legal rights to make and pass laws because, he knows that his tenure as the worst Prime Minister in Canadian history is coming to an end.

But, he's not just screwing over the Conservatives. He's also screwing over all Canadians and even succeeding Liberal Gov'ts who, may have a want and need to change this law but won't be able to.

And if he cares that little about the people in his own party who'll follow him how much does he really care about the rest of we Canadians? BTW, this is the same self appointed demigod who used "Party Unity"as an excuse to kick JWR and Jane Philpott out of the Liberal Caucus not because he gave his caucus a vote but because he claims to have "asked them". :roll:

Although for me the worst part of the whole thing is, that I might just owe Gerald Butts an apology because from all appearances he's was the only voice of reason and restraint on Fearless Leaders over inflated and dangerous ego. ROTFL


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They left the board because of all the racism, bigotry and hate that floats around here now.

That's so obvious it doesn't need to be stated. The fact that the usual people will claim it isn't so or that those who left are the bigots proves that.

What's funny is that while it's underhanded to sneak things into Omnibus Bills we're all waiting to hear the case against the right to housing.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:49 am
 


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They left the board because of all the racism, bigotry and hate that floats around here now.

That's so obvious it doesn't need to be stated. The fact that the usual people will claim it isn't so or that those who left are the bigots proves that.

What's funny is that while it's underhanded to sneak things into Omnibus Bills we're all waiting to hear the case against the right to housing.


And the usual ones will continue to respond with those accusations in an attempt to prop up what are most times indefensible positions on topics that that can't rationally be defend.

Oddly enough, your the only one here who seems to think that this bill is about the right to housing and not an open attempt to subvert our Parliamentary system.


But, just to keep you happy allow me to point out that there is no legal interpretation that defines a right to "housing" under the Charter.

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Nothing in Canada’s constitution establishes a right to housing, and courts haven’t declared one to exist. However, Canada has signed and ratified the 1976 United Nations’ International Covenant on Economic, Social, and Cultural Rights (ICESCR), and in Article 11 it does recognize “the right of everyone to an adequate standard of living for himself and his family, including adequate food, clothing and housing, and to the continuous improvement of living conditions.”


https://thetyee.ca/News/2016/02/26/Is-Housing-a-Right/

So unless the UN is running Canada like some people on the left dream of, Trudeau's out of luck when it comes to housing. Because, this bill doesn't guarantee housing. All it does is ensure the funding for it isn't used for anything else and that's where the problems start. He's taking money that succeeding gov'ts may someday need for other things and locking it up so it can never be touched by anyone following him, even if no housing is ever built.

So potentially we could see this fund grow with no benefit to anyone, even the homeless.

But hey, whatever floats your boat. [B-o]


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:48 am
 


A government cannot impose laws on a future government. The future government can simply repeal the law or just ignore it. It’s that simple.

For example, conservatives have long passed laws requiring the government to balance the budget. For example Ralph Klein did it in Alberta and Mike Harris did the same in Ontario. It’s just a gimmick.


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