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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:42 am
 


Title: Man had hands raised when police shot him, witness says
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: WDHIII
Date: 2009-09-22 08:51:44
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:42 am
 


Pretty straight forward. WHen told to put your hands up don't put things in your pocket. Also, as for OC or taser I'm guessing they didn't have them as these cops were plainclothes.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:30 pm
 


I'd be concerned about a plain, dark SUV trying to pull me over late at night. Honestly, I would not have stopped at all and, instead, would have called the police from my cell to verify exactly who was behind me before stopping whilst driving to a well-lighted, public area. <--- Which is exactly what the law allows in California.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:50 pm
 


hint: when police asks you something, don't be smart and do it.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:57 pm
 


Proculation Proculation:
hint: when police asks you something, don't be smart and do it.


Pretty flashing lights on a car do not necessarily mean there's a police officer inside. Also, a cop who opens fire on someone absent seeing an actual threat has some serious problems. For this to have happened he had to have had his pistol out, a round chambered, the safety off, and his finger on the trigger. All for a simple traffic stop.

In short what happened here was a citizen was shot for not doing what he was told, not because he posed any actual threat to the LEO. Sorry, but around here that's a career ender.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:00 pm
 


I understand that but he could have prosecute after in deontology. He would not be in hospital with a bullet in his body.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:04 pm
 


Proculation Proculation:
I understand that but he could have prosecute after in deontology. He would not be in hospital with a bullet in his body.


Say what? Deontology is ethics by duty...so again, say whaaaaaa?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:05 pm
 


After all the crap I've seen about the RCMP lately I'm not inclinded to believe them or cut them any slack.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Also, a cop who opens fire on someone absent seeing an actual threat has some serious problems.

Agreed. Putting your hand in your pocket to put a lighter away while the other hand is up is not a death sentence. If you can't see the weapon then you don't shoot. Otherwise don't tell me they're 'trained' because anybody can just shoot. This is exactly what they're trained to do: wait until you actually see a weapon.


The RCMP of today is not the RCMP of ol'.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:05 pm
 


i don't think it's very ethical to threaten someone with a loaded gun for a traffic stop.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:44 pm
 


Looking only at the facts from the side of the guy stopped alone it does not look good and normally when the story is one sided it tends to make the victim out ot be Pope like in innocence.

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“approaching Brewer’s house on Henry Road when a charcoal-coloured police SUV sounded its siren. They drove two blocks to 3020 Henry Rd. and pulled into the driveway.

Brewer said they didn’t stop immediately because Gillespie was scared, nervous and only two blocks from the home.”


Well if this was Calafonia. Then maybe Bart would have a point, but last checked it was BC. APPROACHING a house is not the right term to use when its two blocks away, rather when something is in reasonable sight. This statement is meant to bias the reader and tells me the guys story might be a bit embellished already. Anyhow, in Canada when you see police lights you stop when you see them! Guy was scared eh? Strange, I wonder why. Never known the average innocent person to not stop for a cop because they are nervous.

Two strikes against him…


Two plainclothes officers with bulletproof vests and guns raised yelled at the men to get out of the car, put their hands up and get on their knees, ..but Gillespie put his lighter into his pocket….

I’m really trying to see this from all angles but keep coming to DUMB MOVE!


Strike 3 was known felon who has a history carrying firearms


This adds up to a potential high risk stop the way I see it. The fact they had their guns drawn at the start seems they felt this way as well. So during a high risk stop where the suspect who is known to have used weapons in the past reaches into his pocket when told to put his hands up!

Well without all the facts or even both sides of the story I can’t pass judgment like the cop haters.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:54 pm
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Proculation Proculation:
hint: when police asks you something, don't be smart and do it.


Pretty flashing lights on a car do not necessarily mean there's a police officer inside. Also, a cop who opens fire on someone absent seeing an actual threat has some serious problems. For this to have happened he had to have had his pistol out, a round chambered, the safety off, and his finger on the trigger. All for a simple traffic stop.

In short what happened here was a citizen was shot for not doing what he was told, not because he posed any actual threat to the LEO. Sorry, but around here that's a career ender.


Bart, really how often have you heard of people with emergency lights, bullet proof vests with guns yelling POLICE, who were pretending? Give me more than one example in Canada this year that meets that criteria!

When they are pointing their weapons at a suspect they consider a risk they are of course going ot have the safety off and his finger on the trigger geesh :roll: And its an automatic. What does round in the chamber have to do with anything? As soon as they squeeze the trigger the round will load.

All for a simple traffic stop. Good point, not something they would normally do for a simple traffic stop, so since they did it then it might not have been......(fill in the logical solution).

Maybe you want to fill us in on the officers side of hte story before you pass judgment Bart!


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:01 pm
 


$1:
Lagan stressed that the two men pulled over are well-known to police. Court records show in November 2006, Gillespie was sentenced to 16 months in jail and three years probation for a March 2005 robbery, in which he was in possession of a firearm.


You never, ever put your hands in your pockets when an officer stops you! Their first thought is going to be weapon, especially when they are known tho the cops and have a criminal history.

I have to side with the cops on this one. In situations like that, you only have a split second to decide if there is a threat to your life or not.

Everyone keeps talking about why didn't they taser him instead. Wasn't there outrage just recently when there was so much taser usage on people? You cannot have it both ways.

Like my dad always says: "I'd rather be tried by twelve than carried by six."


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:01 pm
 


Benn Benn:
Bart, really how often have you heard of people with emergency lights, bullet proof vests with guns yelling POLICE, who were pretending? Give me more than one example in Canada this year that meets that criteria!


http://www.nationalpost.com/m/story.htm ... y&it=Topic
http://www.insidetoronto.com/article/21363
http://www.dailyheraldtribune.com/Artic ... ?e=1764059
http://www.thewesternstar.com/index.cfm ... 4245&sc=23
http://www.eastottawa.ca/article-cp2937 ... icers.html

All dates, 2009. As requested.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:11 pm
 


Man with a gunn pointed at you hiollers " Hands Up"! Methinks it's a helluva good idea to 'put hands up'! :roll:


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:14 pm
 


If you are unsure whether the person behind you is a real officer, there are steps you can take to make sure the officer knows you are complying, while at the same time veryfying his/her identity.

Law enforcement departments have recommended that you slow down, turn on you emergency flashers, turn on your dome light if it is night time, and proceed to either the nearest public/safe location or use your cell phone to call 911 and have the dispatcher verify the officer's identity.

If you continue driving without making it look like you are not trying to run, the officer is going to think that you are trying to run or trying to get rid of something you don't want him to find.


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