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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:10 am
 


Title: McKenna admits carbon tax will boost the price at the pump in 4 provinces
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Date: 2019-03-31 09:07:15
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For those using script controllers.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/mckenna ... -1.4359368

"With the federal carbon tax coming into effect in four provinces on Monday, Environment Minister Catherine McKenna says residents of those provinces can expect to pay an average of four cents more per litre at the pump.

She said 90 per cent of this revenue will be returned to Canadians through a tax rebate.

"Yes, let's be clear. The price of gas will go up just over four cents," McKenna told host Evan Solomon during an interview for CTV Question Period, airing Sunday."


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The government is pushing provinces to impose a price on carbon emissions, starting at $10 per tonne this year with the eventual goal of rising to $50 per tonne in 2022. However, because Ontario, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and New Brunswick have yet to introduce plans that meet the government's criteria, the Liberal government is going to impose its own tax on them.

The tax is effective April 1.

McKenna said the increased price at the pump is supposed to drive consumers to choose greener options.

"That creates an incentive for people to consider, maybe I should look at a more energy efficient vehicle, maybe I should choose public transportation," McKenna said. "You still get the money back at the end of the day."

For some, however, the rebate doesn't cut it.

Federal Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer is standing alongside multiple Conservative premiers who have been vocally opposing the federal price on carbon. In the latest bid to draw attention to their opposition to the tax, Scheer's Conservatives have been sending out mass-texts telling Canadians in New Brunswick, Ontario, Manitoba and Saskatchewan to fill their gas tank this weekend ahead of the policy's April 1 effectuation date.

"Andrew Scheer here," reads the text. "Trudeau's carbon tax will raise gas prices on Monday. So fill your tank!"

McKenna pushed back against the criticism, calling on Scheer to make his climate plan public.

"They have no climate plan. They spend all their time fighting and putting out misinformation about our plan," she said. "I think it is incumbent on the Conservatives to say what their plan is."

She added that political parties, rather than fighting with one another, should "all be working together" to fight climate change.

"Climate change is accelerating, it's not becoming less," McKenna said. "We need to act, and we know part of any credible climate plan is making it no longer free to pollute."

In October 2018 the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change released a report insisting that the world is on track to fail to keep global warming below 2 C, which was the goal laid out in the 2015 Paris climate change agreement.

Meeting the goal, the report said, "would require rapid, far-reaching and unprecedented changes in all aspects of society."

McKenna, however, says Canada is working diligently to meet its 2030 goal of curbing emissions to 30 per cent below what they were in 2005. This, despite the government's own emissions projections report saying the government is falling short of its goal.

"These targets, let's be clear, are years out. Of course we need to continue to take action," she said.

When pressed on whether the government will introduce additional environmental measures before the election, McKenna said there's no plan to do so.

"We've already announced all our measures," she said.

She added, however, that the government is "always looking at what we can do more."

Meanwhile, the government's existing climate measures continue to face opposition from critics like Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe. He has brought his opposition to the federal carbon tax into a Saskatchewan Court of Appeal with the goal of challenging the federal government's ability to levy the charge.

Moe said he is "anxiously awaiting" a decision from the court "saying that [the government doesn't] have the constitutional authority to do this."


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:13 am
 


Hah...it's starts on April fools day. That's fitting.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:41 am
 


Yep. Doing the right thing always costs more than not doing the right thing.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:56 am
 


BeaverFever wrote:
Yep. Doing the right thing always costs more than not doing the right thing.


Really? Is that what they're telling you poor believers now? That you know something's right because it costs more?

Well...I guess this current government is pretty "right" then. Image Hopefully they don't get another to term to show us just how "right" they can be. Bicycling to the bread lines doesn't appeal to me.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:03 am
 


Point A
The TAXES on your gasoline are the only part that is GOOD for the entire country
Point B
Oil prices are about $60 bbl. We are paying 10c a litre less than when oil prices were $120 bbl.
It ain't fucking taxes that are the problem

We've had carbon tax in BC for over a decade. Here in N Central BC, gas prices have jumped 17c a litre in 2 weeks even though there's been no increase in taxes and no increase in the price of crude. No media report even mentions it, but every single one is whining about 2c of taxes that doesn't even apply here.
Nice distraction oil companies.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:35 am
 


BeaverFever wrote:
Yep. Doing the right thing always costs more than not doing the right thing.

Riiiight. Just like how Groper and gang are handling the SNC-Lavalin affair? Spare us your bullshit moralizing. It's factually incorrect and just a stupid justification for an unjustified tax.
Let's dissect your bit of idiocy. I think one can safely state that if more people walked shorter distances instead of driving, we'd all be a little better off. Yet doing that right thing actually costs LESS than continuing to drive your car short distances.

Nunavut had a plan to reduce their emissions by the target amount and date without the need for a carbon tax. Groper flatly rejected it stating that it must have a carbon tax component. So yeah, doing the right thing CAN cost more if you have some fucking little pissant who insists on cramming his fraudulent ideology down your throat.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:37 am
 


herbie wrote:
Point A
The TAXES on your gasoline are the only part that is GOOD for the entire country
Point B
Oil prices are about $60 bbl. We are paying 10c a litre less than when oil prices were $120 bbl.
It ain't fucking taxes that are the problem



Point C: Any possible change in global temperatures brought about by this tax will be so negligible you might as well just say Zero percent or no effect whatsoever.

What's the tax for then? They're like the religious indulgences the faithful used to purchase to pay for their sins. That's pretty much it.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:42 am
 


N_Fiddledog wrote:
BeaverFever wrote:
Yep. Doing the right thing always costs more than not doing the right thing.


Really? Is that what they're telling you poor believers now? That you know something's right because it costs more?

Well...I guess this current government is pretty "right" then. Image Hopefully they don't get another to term to show us just how "right" they can be. Bicycling to the bread lines doesn't appeal to me.


I know what’s right and the cost doesn’t change that fact

You really should question your propagandists when they tell tell you carbon tax means bicycling to bread lines. That’s their stock answer to everything from same-sex marriage to food safety standards to financial industry regulations.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:52 am
 


PublicAnimalNo9 wrote:
BeaverFever wrote:
Yep. Doing the right thing always costs more than not doing the right thing.

Riiiight. Just like how Groper and gang are handling the SNC-Lavalin affair? Spare us your bullshit moralizing. It's factually incorrect and just a stupid justification for an unjustified tax.
Let's dissect your bit of idiocy. I think one can safely state that if more people walked shorter distances instead of driving, we'd all be a little better off. Yet doing that right thing actually costs LESS than continuing to drive your car short distances.

Nunavut had a plan to reduce their emissions by the target amount and date without the need for a carbon tax. Groper flatly rejected it stating that it must have a carbon tax component. So yeah, doing the right thing CAN cost more if you have some fucking little pissant who insists on cramming his fraudulent ideology down your throat.


Undoubtedly Trudeaus handling of SNC has cost him more than if he handled it differently not that it has anything to do with this topic

As for the point about the right thing costing more I’m talking about public policy not individual choices but arguably even your inept example would have a cost to gasoline retailers.

Got a link on your Nunavut claim?


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:58 am
 


BeaverFever wrote:
I know what’s right


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N_Fiddledog wrote:
herbie wrote:
Point A
The TAXES on your gasoline are the only part that is GOOD for the entire country
Point B
Oil prices are about $60 bbl. We are paying 10c a litre less than when oil prices were $120 bbl.
It ain't fucking taxes that are the problem



Point C: Any possible change in global temperatures brought about by this tax will be so negligible you might as well just say Zero percent or no effect whatsoever.

What's the tax for then? They're like the religious indulgences the faithful used to purchase to pay for their sins. That's pretty much it.

Point C is it matters for shit about global temperatures if the money's in the general revenue fund.
Or it should be more correctly stated that the dumb fucks in Vancouver won't buy less gas no matter what they charged. They proved it so, so all Canada will pay $1.60 and just whine a little louder.
It's the gov't "lets increase it by nickels and dimes" like the cigarette tax: slowly so you don't realize your paying $10 tax on a pack, and you're fucking addicted so you can't stop. Discouraging by taxation a decent idea, but once warped by evil intent....


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Like most conservative drivel, not only does that not make sense (e.g. why would a Canadian carbon tax somehow prevent China from ‘having to’ implement one ?) it’s also based on the Right’s fake news alternative facts bubble.

To wit:

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MARCH 30, 2019 / 3:12 AM / 2 DAYS AGO

China expects first trade in national emissions scheme in 2020


BEIJING, March 30 (Reuters) - China expects to make the first trade on the long-awaited national emission trading scheme in 2020, a senior climate official said on Saturday, as part of Beijing’s efforts to fulfill its commitment to reducing greenhouse gas emission.

China has spent two years on legal and technical infrastructure construction after it announced its plans to launch the nationwide emission trading scheme (ETS) in 2017.

It began setting up pilot trading platforms in 2013 in seven regions across the country but they have not been brought under a unified scheme yet.

“China will speed up construction of the national carbon trading scheme this year and aim to carry out the first trade among coal-fired power utilities in 2020,” Jiang Zhaoli, vice director of the climate change department at the Ministry of Ecology and Environment, said at an industrial conference.

Coal-fired power is the first industry included into the national ETS, covering around 3 billion tonnes of greenhouse gas emitted in China every year.

China will promote carbon trade in power sectors, Jiang said, adding the government will also include more high-energy consuming industries such as steel, non-ferrous and construction materials, into the scheme.

“We will explore carbon derivatives trading and non-gratuitous allocation of emission quotas in 2021-2025,” said Jiang.

The nationwide ETS aims to cover 8 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide emission per annum from around 100,000 industrial plants when the trading scheme is fully launched.

The ETS is designed to encourage power utilities and manufacturers to reduce emissions through a market mechanism. Some scholars in China, however, are questioning the necessity of the ETS due to overlapping of policies.

On the whole, China also plans to introduce a carbon tax and a renewable power quota system with a similar aim of boosting clean energy consumption and cutting emission at industrial plants.

China said it has cut carbon intensity by 45.8 percent in 2018 from the level in 2005, exceeding the target of lowering it 45 percent by 2020.

It also pledged to bring emission to a peak by around 2030 as part of its commitments to the 2015 Paris accord.

Reporting by Muyu Xu and Michael Martina Editing by Shri Navaratnam


https://www.reuters.com/article/climate ... SL3N21H02B


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:53 pm
 


I think I've finally figured out your problem with memes, Beave.

They often rely on an underlying truth. The Beave brain doesn't seem to want to pick that up.

In this case the truth core powering the meme is Canada isn't actually contributing much if anything to this alleged problem of a coming warming apocalypse. Canada doesn't create enough greenhouse gases to be any kind of problem even if you believe there is a problem. China does though. And although Canada under the current regime does seem ready to turn it's economy upside down to battle the warming chimera, any intent by China to do anything like that is reliant on two words "China says." Good luck with that.


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