[stratos]

You are riled up over tens of thousands killed while I get riled up about 1.5 mil unborn killed.

I'll be honest I don't recall if you are pro abortion or anti abortion, let alone if you have ever claimed either position.

[Zipperfish]

stratos stratos:

You are riled up over tens of thousands killed while I get riled up about 1.5 mil unborn killed.

I'll be honest I don't recall if you are pro abortion or anti abortion, let alone if you have ever claimed either position.

It's not really something I spend a lot of time thinking about. However, I don;'t give people a free pass on killing people because abortion kills more.

[BartSimpson]

BRAH BRAH:

One of the other possible reasons Michael Moore, Seth Rogen and the rest of the Liberal Fuck Tards hate American Sniper is because it was awarded with Oscar nominations while Selma (Another Liberal Guilt Film) was snubbed.

This.

Just because Oprah produces a film about MLK does NOT entitle her and her film to accolades.

You still have to produce an exceptional film and she just didn't do that.

[N_Fiddledog]

Green Beret Sniper Hilariously Destroys Michael Moore in Open Letter

" Bryan Sikes is a Green Beret Sniper who is now a Pro-Am shooter for GA precision Team Bushnell.

He is also a no-nonsense man who hilariously destroys Michael Moore in an open letter, going so far as to call him a “Crisco Sweating Waste Of Space Not Worthy To Be In The Presence Of A Sniper.’"

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/green-b ... HU.twitter

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Mr. Moore-

Good afternoon there sweetheart, I hope this finds you alive and well. You can thank our men and women of the armed forces for that, by the way, and that also includes us cowardly snipers. It seems you’ve found time between licking the jelly off your fingers and releasing your grasp of a bear claw to tweet some junk about snipers being cowards.

My buddies and I got a good laugh over the tweet, so I thank you. For a guy worth $50 million dollars, you sure have quite a bit to bitch and cry about. I guess like a moth to flame, you too gravitate towards things that are popular and in the moment — in this case it’s snipers. Too bad for you that your attempt at being relevant via your 70+ year old family experience has failed. It has only made you look dumber than a bag of hammers. Next time you should try something more original than going after snipers for one reason or another…that was so last month.

It’s typical of “men” like you to criticize the intestinal fortitude, focus, discipline and patriotism of a sniper. It must stem from an inferiority complex or something. But hey, it’s okay cupcake. We snipers are thick skinned and the efforts of world class turds such as yourself to portray us in a negative light only makes us laugh. If you and I were in the same room, I’d throw you a smile and gently pat you on the head knowing you’re nothing more than a mouth breathing, Crisco sweating waste of space not even worthy of being in the presence of a sniper. It’s almost funny how people like you preach things like ‘acceptance’ and ‘not passing judgement’ or ‘labeling people’, but then are the first to do so when a person is in some way dissimilar from you.

So tenderfoot, I leave you with this final thought: what if you found yourself in some sort of hostage situation where you were held at knife-point by some crazed person and they were dead set on making an example of you by bleeding you out on Hollywood Blvd in front of the world, and the only way out was with the precision aimed fire of a sniper? Would you want that coward to take the shot? Because knowing how you feel about snipers such as myself and your hatred of firearms, I’d probably drop the mag, roll the bolt and go get a Jack & Coke before helping you out.

Very Respectfully,

Sikes

[BRAH]

Delwin Delwin:

BRAH BRAH:

One of the other possible reasons Michael Moore, Seth Rogen and the rest of the Liberal Fuck Tards hate American Sniper is because it was awarded with Oscar nominations while Selma (Another Liberal Guilt Film) was snubbed.

Selma was nominated for best picture. It's kind of a big deal.

Sound editing, film editing and sound mixing are are very nice, but do you really remember who won them last year?

That means nothing to the Liberal Whiners in Hollywood.

[BRAH]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

BRAH BRAH:

One of the other possible reasons Michael Moore, Seth Rogen and the rest of the Liberal Fuck Tards hate American Sniper is because it was awarded with Oscar nominations while Selma (Another Liberal Guilt Film) was snubbed.

This.

Just because Oprah produces a film about MLK does NOT entitle her and her film to accolades.

You still have to produce an exceptional film and she just didn't do that.

Maybe the Academy is getting tired of these Black History Films?

[Public_Domain]

stratos stratos:

So we are now responsible for nation building and running the country indefinitely?

"Sure, we ruined them, but that is the past now! How is it our fault that they can't pick themselves up?"
#thingswhitepeoplesay

[Xort]

You can fairly and honestly dislike Mr. Kyle for his actions outside of combat. For what he did in combat, so long as he followed the RoE and only followed lawful orders it doesn't matter how he killed people.

For Mr. Moore's comments on snipers in general, machine gunners will fire on anyone moving in any direction, tanks will kill infantry when and where they can find them, artillery will fall on sleeping soldiers.

It's not being a coward to use the best tools to reach an objective, that's smart.

[bootlegga]

Moore can bitch all he wants, but snipers are a military necessity. Something tells me if his uncle had been a sniper himself, he probably wouldn't have such a silly opinion.

[bootlegga]

stratos stratos:

So we are now responsible for nation building and running the country indefinitely?

Damned right you are.

stratos stratos:

On here and around the world demanded that we get out of there and we did. If the leaders of the Gov. elected by the people is to frail to stand then I can only say you should have elected better leaders.

Apparently you've forgotten all the opposition and efforts by Canada, 'Old Europe' and other countries telling your country NOT to invade...

stratos stratos:

Mustard and serein (sp?) gas were found. Few seem to recall that convoy headed north to Iran that got away.

Maybe you can tell yourself a lie over and over and believe it, but most people believe the facts, not hearsay and conjecture.

Got any Niger yellow cake?

stratos stratos:

Curious how people cry about deaths during war but demand that woman have the right to kill unborn children.

False equivalency.

I could just as easily say, why do Americans care about the 2800 people who died on 9/11 when 500,000+ die from heart attacks every year?

It cuts both ways...

stratos stratos:

Thanks now sense we own it the rest of your comments are irrelevant seeing has how you have no claim to it.

Unless you (and the rest of your countrymen) are going to formally admit that the US is an empire, the only you 'own' is the responsibility to fix what you broke.

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

This.

Just because Oprah produces a film about MLK does NOT entitle her and her film to accolades.

Exactly. The black struggle film will always get the accoldaes unless somebody did a Holocaust film that year. Holocaust always goes to the front of the line, then slavery.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

This.

Just because Oprah produces a film about MLK does NOT entitle her and her film to accolades.

Exactly. The black struggle film will always get the accoldaes unless somebody did a Holocaust film that year. Holocaust always goes to the front of the line, then slavery.

You mean Black slavery. Cuz White slavery in the Americas gets pretty much zero mention anywhere by anyone.

[peck420]

I think it should be pointed out that you guys are arguing about something Michael Moore said...

Think about that long and hard for a minute.

MICHAEL MOORE...the same guy that thinks crime in Canada is non-existent, and that our doors swing wildly in the breeze while we are away from our homes.

The only thing that should ever be done, after he speaks, is applying toilet paper...flush when your done, and wash your hands on the way out.

[Zipperfish]

peck420 peck420:

I think it should be pointed out that you guys are arguing about something Michael Moore said...

Think about that long and hard for a minute.

MICHAEL MOORE...the same guy that thinks crime in Canada is non-existent, and that our doors swing wildly in the breeze while we are away from our homes.

The only thing that should ever be done, after he speaks, is applying toilet paper...flush when your done, and wash your hands on the way out.

So...you think anyone who likes Canada is an asshole?

[xerxes]

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'American Sniper' Is Almost Too Dumb to Criticize
Almost.

BY MATT TAIBBI | January 21, 2015

I saw American Sniper last night, and hated it slightly less than I expected to. Like most Clint Eastwood movies – and I like Clint Eastwood movies for the most part – it's a simple, well-lit little fairy tale with the nutritional value of a fortune cookie that serves up a neatly-arranged helping of cheers and tears for target audiences, and panics at the thought of embracing more than one or two ideas at any time.

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It's usually silly to get upset about the self-righteous way Hollywood moviemakers routinely turn serious subjects into baby food. Film-industry people angrily reject the notion that their movies have to be about anything (except things like "character" and "narrative" and "arc," subjects they can talk about endlessly).

This is the same Hollywood culture that turned the horror and divisiveness of the Vietnam War era into a movie about a platitude-spewing doofus with leg braces who in the face of terrible moral choices eats chocolates and plays Ping-Pong. The message of Forrest Gump was that if you think about the hard stuff too much, you'll either get AIDS or lose your legs. Meanwhile, the hero is the idiot who just shrugs and says "Whatever!" whenever his country asks him to do something crazy.

Forrest Gump pulled in over half a billion and won Best Picture. So what exactly should we have expected from American Sniper?

Not much. But even by the low low standards of this business, it still manages to sink to a new depth or two.

The thing is, the mere act of trying to make a typically Hollywoodian one-note fairy tale set in the middle of the insane moral morass that is/was the Iraq occupation is both dumber and more arrogant than anything George Bush or even Dick Cheney ever tried.

No one expected 20 minutes of backstory about the failed WMD search, Abu Ghraib, or the myriad other American atrocities and quick-trigger bombings that helped fuel the rise of ISIL and other groups.

But to turn the Iraq war into a saccharine, almost PG-rated two-hour cinematic diversion about a killing machine with a heart of gold (is there any film theme more perfectly 2015-America than that?) who slowly, very slowly, starts to feel bad after shooting enough women and children – Gump notwithstanding, that was a hard one to see coming.

Sniper is a movie whose politics are so ludicrous and idiotic that under normal circumstances it would be beneath criticism. The only thing that forces us to take it seriously is the extraordinary fact that an almost exactly similar worldview consumed the walnut-sized mind of the president who got us into the war in question.

It's the fact that the movie is popular, and actually makes sense to so many people, that's the problem. "American Sniper has the look of a bona fide cultural phenomenon!" gushed Brandon Griggs of CNN, noting the film's record $105 million opening-week box office.

Griggs added, in a review that must make Eastwood swell with pride, that the root of the film's success is that "it's about a real person," and "it's a human story, not a political one."

Well done, Clint! You made a movie about mass-bloodshed in Iraq that critics pronounced not political! That's as Hollywood as Hollywood gets.

The characters in Eastwood's movies almost always wear white and black hats or their equivalents, so you know at all times who's the good guy on the one hand, and whose exploding head we're to applaud on the other.

In this case that effect is often literal, with "hero" sniper Chris Kyle's "sinister" opposite Mustafa permanently dressed in black (with accompanying evil black pirate-stubble) throughout.

Eastwood, who surely knows better, indulges in countless crass stupidities in the movie. There's the obligatory somber scene of shirtless buffed-up SEAL Kyle and his heartthrob wife Sienna Miller gasping at the televised horror of the 9/11 attacks. Next thing you know, Kyle is in Iraq actually fighting al-Qaeda – as if there was some logical connection between 9/11 and Iraq.

Which of course there had not been, until we invaded and bombed the wrong country and turned its moonscaped cities into a recruitment breeding ground for… you guessed it, al-Qaeda. They skipped that chicken-egg dilemma in the film, though, because it would detract from the "human story."

Eastwood plays for cheap applause and goes super-dumb even by Hollywood standards when one of Kyle's officers suggests that they could "win the war" by taking out the evil sniper who is upsetting America's peaceful occupation of Sadr City.

When hunky Bradley Cooper's Kyle character subsequently takes out Mustafa with Skywalkerian long-distance panache – "Aim small, hit small," he whispers, prior to executing an impossible mile-plus shot – even the audiences in the liberal-ass Jersey City theater where I watched the movie stood up and cheered. I can only imagine the response this scene scored in Soldier of Fortune country.

To Eastwood, this was probably just good moviemaking, a scene designed to evoke the same response he got in Trouble With the Curve when his undiscovered Latin Koufax character, Rigoberto Sanchez, strikes out the evil Bonus Baby Bo Gentry (even I cheered at that scene).

The problem of course is that there's no such thing as "winning" the War on Terror militarily. In fact the occupation led to mass destruction, hundreds of thousands of deaths, a choleric lack of real sanitation, epidemic unemployment and political radicalization that continues to this day to spread beyond Iraq's borders.

Yet the movie glosses over all of this, and makes us think that killing Mustafa was some kind of decisive accomplishment – the single shot that kept terrorists out of the coffee shops of San Francisco or whatever. It's a scene that ratified every idiot fantasy of every yahoo with a target rifle from Seattle to Savannah.

The really dangerous part of this film is that it turns into a referendum on the character of a single solider. It's an unwinnable argument in either direction. We end up talking about Chris Kyle and his dilemmas, and not about the Rumsfelds and Cheneys and other officials up the chain who put Kyle and his high-powered rifle on rooftops in Iraq and asked him to shoot women and children.

They're the real villains in this movie, but the controversy has mostly been over just how much of a "hero" Chris Kyle really was. One Academy member wondered to a reporter if Kyle (who in real life was killed by a fellow troubled vet in an eerie commentary on the violence in our society that might have made a more interesting movie) was a "psychopath." Michael Moore absorbed a ton of criticism when he tweeted that "My uncle [was] killed by sniper in WW2. We were taught snipers were cowards …"

And plenty of other commentators, comparing Kyle's book (where he remorselessly brags about killing "savages") to the film (where he is portrayed as a more rounded figure who struggled, if not verbally then at least visually, with the nature of his work), have pointed out that real-life Kyle was kind of a dick compared to movie-Kyle.

(The most disturbing passage in the book to me was the one where Kyle talked about being competitive with other snipers, and how when one in particular began to threaten his "legendary" number, Kyle "all of the sudden" seemed to have "every stinkin' bad guy in the city running across my scope." As in, wink wink, my luck suddenly changed when the sniper-race got close, get it? It's super-ugly stuff).

The thing is, it always looks bad when you criticize a soldier for doing what he's told. It's equally dangerous to be seduced by the pathos and drama of the individual solider's experience, because most wars are about something much larger than that, too.

They did this after Vietnam, when America spent decades watching movies like Deer Hunter and First Blood and Coming Home about vets struggling to reassimilate after the madness of the jungles. So we came to think of the "tragedy" of Vietnam as something primarily experienced by our guys, and not by the millions of Indochinese we killed.

That doesn't mean Vietnam Veterans didn't suffer: they did, often terribly. But making entertainment out of their dilemmas helped Americans turn their eyes from their political choices. The movies used the struggles of soldiers as a kind of human shield protecting us from thinking too much about what we'd done in places like Vietnam and Cambodia and Laos.

This is going to start happening now with the War-on-Terror movies. As CNN's Griggs writes, "We're finally ready for a movie about the Iraq War." Meaning: we're ready to be entertained by stories about how hard it was for our guys. And it might have been. But that's not the whole story and never will be.

We'll make movies about the Chris Kyles of the world and argue about whether they were heroes or not. Some were, some weren't. But in public relations as in war, it'll be the soldiers taking the bullets, not the suits in the Beltway who blithely sent them into lethal missions they were never supposed to understand.

And filmmakers like Eastwood, who could have cleared things up, only muddy the waters more. Sometimes there's no such thing as "just a human story." Sometimes a story is meaningless or worse without real context, and this is one of them.