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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:52 am
 


Title: Multiple vials of naloxone now required to resuscitate Metro Vancouver opioid users
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Posted By: DrCaleb
Date: 2018-11-21 10:41:13
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:52 am
 


Great. They're evolving. Soon, they'll be immune to our attempts to save them.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:07 pm
 


It's probably the dealers, experimenting with new and deadlier ways to kill their clientèle.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:07 pm
 


Not suprised


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:55 pm
 


llama66 wrote:
Great. They're evolving. Soon, they'll be immune to our attempts to save them.


And that would then be called natural selection.

These people don't want help because if they did they'd be seeking it after their first or second near death experience. What they and unfortunately the system wants is for them to stay high on their drug of choice and it doesn't matter how much Naloxone we have to use to keep them upright they'll just keep going right back to it.

The problem isn't the junkies it's the system. They know that there in growth industry and there are a myriad of people out there who rely on them staying alive for their jobs. So, there'll almost always be someone around to restart their heart because, without their addiction the social services industry would come to a grinding halt and might just take the economy along with it.

Trouble is with letting these people use without a real attempt at getting them into rehab or to stop means that at some point tolerance to the overdose treatment is going to develop and when that happens they'll start dying off in even greater numbers than they are now which is what's happening.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:13 pm
 


Freakinoldguy wrote:
llama66 wrote:
Great. They're evolving. Soon, they'll be immune to our attempts to save them.


And that would then be called natural selection.

These people don't want help because if they did they'd be seeking it after their first or second near death experience. What they and unfortunately the system wants is for them to stay high on their drug of choice and it doesn't matter how much Naloxone we have to use to keep them upright they'll just keep going right back to it.

The problem isn't the junkies it's the system. They know that there in growth industry and there are a myriad of people out there who rely on them staying alive for their jobs. So, there'll almost always be someone around to restart their heart because, without their addiction the social services industry would come to a grinding halt and might just take the economy along with it.

Trouble is with letting these people use without a real attempt at getting them into rehab or to stop means that at some point tolerance to the overdose treatment is going to develop and when that happens they'll start dying off in even greater numbers than they are now which is what's happening.



The part that pisses me off is these users usually shoot and discard the needle wherever they like. My luck will be I'll step on a goddamn Fentenyl needle and fucking die.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 2:36 pm
 


llama66 wrote:
Great. They're evolving. Soon, they'll be immune to our attempts to save them.


Darwinism in action.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:29 pm
 


DrCaleb wrote:
It's probably the dealers, experimenting with new and deadlier ways to kill their clientèle.

More like the users some who've been revived several times getting resistant.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:38 pm
 


Apparently one of the Naxalone manufacturers in the US is going to, or already has, jumped the price per dose from around $650-700 to $4500 US. Always great to see the rich folks help out as much as they can in an epidemic that left the term "crisis" in it's rear-view mirror a few years ago, eh? Free market in action! wOOt? :evil:


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 6:26 am
 


herbie wrote:
DrCaleb wrote:
It's probably the dealers, experimenting with new and deadlier ways to kill their clientèle.

More like the users some who've been revived several times getting resistant.


You can't develop resistance, it's a chemical reaction that Naloxone used to stop the toxic effects of opioids temporally. (they still need medical attention, or the reaction will continue),

What's happening is one dose isn't enough to couneract the opioids, because there are too strong. Fuckers are mixing more fentanyl or even carfentanyl in there to hook more people.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:29 am
 


From a business standpoint, killing your clientele may not be good for long term growth for your business.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:45 am
 


In a normal market, it's true. But to a dealer, so long as the numbers increase, you don't care that a few die along the way. So if your stuff is 100% addictive, all you need to do is spread it around.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 1:00 pm
 


Overdosing is a great business tactic to get rid of customers who turn into too much of a pain in the ass to deal with.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:22 pm
 


Just about put my hand into a bag containing needles today. I stopped when its owner, said it was his bag, and that he had needles in the bag. My first thought was "fuck" as I pictured my Naloxone sitting at home, on my bookshelf.

I would have been really, REALLY pissed if I OD on a drug I have no interest in or developed HIV or AIDS.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:29 am
 


llama66 wrote:
Just about put my hand into a bag containing needles today. I stopped when its owner, said it was his bag, and that he had needles in the bag. My first thought was "fuck" as I pictured my Naloxone sitting at home, on my bookshelf.

I would have been really, REALLY pissed if I OD on a drug I have no interest in or developed HIV or AIDS.


There are armoured gloves you can get (that the cops use to lay down an especially good beating on 'perps') so they might offer a bit of protection if you have to do that often.

https://turtleskin.com/law-enforcement- ... loves.html

https://www.galls.com/hexarmor-high-per ... 23&PMSRCH=


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