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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:16 pm
 


Title: Murderers getting new trials because Trudeau meddled
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Posted By: Freakinoldguy
Date: 2020-01-23 21:11:30
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For every action there is a reaction and this is just one reason running your mouth and then having to back it up with ill thought out legislation leads to problems.

I wonder how many more mistrials we'll see in the future because of our PM and his former Minister of Justices rushed to change the racial demographics of how our justice system worked.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:45 pm
 


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“This is a government that conducts itself catering to Twitter,” Goldkind said.


Government by Pajama Boy accurately described in a nutshell.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:07 am
 


This guy should get a new trial by firing squad...

Omar Khadr is giving a keynote address at Dalhousie University


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:35 am
 


Oh, I get it!
Criminal defence lawyers get more work because Trudeau meddled does not sound so good as a head-line for the tax-paying public.



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For every action there is a reaction and
Indeed!
Nobody saw this coming!


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:16 pm
 


Canadian Meddling!!! Impeach Trudeau!! [B-o]


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:58 pm
 


Wish we could. Americans are lucky they have an impeachment ability. The constitutional monarchy democracies don't. A PM is actually far more powerful in terms of what they can do than a POTUS is. Well, most POTUS's anyway, the ones who follow the law instead of constantly breaking it the way the current monster-in-office does on a daily basis. I highly doubt anyone could pull this kind of meddling with the jury system in the US and get away with it the way Trudeau has though. First the state legislatures would try to stop it and then the state courts, the appeal courts, the circuit courts, and finally SCOTUS would have to be given their input. The courts could potentially stop Trudeau but if he already consulted with the SCOC for their guidance and tacit approval then it's unfortunately a done deal.

Both the interests of the accused as well as the obligation of the state to subject criminals to process and punishment have effectively been wiped out in Canada in the interests of social/ethnic/racial equity. The purpose of a trial, to reveal the truth, has been made a second priority to the social/radical left's idea of racial balance. Whether someone's guilty or innocent doesn't matter now, all that's important is that the jury was diverse enough. There's nothing good that can come from this at all.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:31 pm
 


It's not against the law for Donald Trump to do things you don't like.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:17 pm
 


Him breaking the law anytime he wants to is something that honourable Americans like yourself should definitely not like at all.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:04 pm
 


Freakinoldguy wrote:
For every action there is a reaction and this is just one reason running your mouth and then having to back it up with ill thought out legislation leads to problems.

I wonder how many more mistrials we'll see in the future because of our PM and his former Minister of Justices rushed to change the racial demographics of how our justice system worked.


WRONG

He didn’t “change the racial demographics of how our justice system worked.”

In fact it’s the exact opposite.

It was the Lawyers who used peremptory challenges to “change the racial demographics of how our justice system worked.” And now that’s rightfully no longer legal.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:53 pm
 


BeaverFever wrote:
Freakinoldguy wrote:
For every action there is a reaction and this is just one reason running your mouth and then having to back it up with ill thought out legislation leads to problems.

I wonder how many more mistrials we'll see in the future because of our PM and his former Minister of Justices rushed to change the racial demographics of how our justice system worked.


WRONG

He didn’t “change the racial demographics of how our justice system worked.”

In fact it’s the exact opposite.

It was the Lawyers who used peremptory challenges to “change the racial demographics of how our justice system worked.” And now that’s rightfully no longer legal.


Lawyers being assholes and challenging any potential jurors who won't show compassion for their clients aside, directing the justice system to change the way it works to ensure that criminals of a specific race aren't held accountable for their actions in the same manner as others isn't altering the justice system based on race. Good to know.

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In his mandate letter to Jody Wilson-Raybould, Canada’s first indigenous justice minister, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau instructed her to reduce the number of indigenous people in prison. The federal government’s 2017 budget allocated 65.2 million Canadian dollars over five years beginning in 2017 to help reverse the trend.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... ing-worse/


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:00 pm
 


There would have been Native jurors on the Stanley jury if two things had happened. One, more than a handful of those who were called actually bothered to show up when summoned. And, two, the ones who did show up were overheard in the hall outside the courtroom saying things about Stanley along the lines of "we're gonna hang that fucker". There were reasons, legit ones, that the defense lawyers excluded Natives from the jury, not that Trudeau cares about any of that as long as he can fly his white-knight cred everywhere. It's way easier to scream about racism that it ever is to understand that sometimes these reasons that things happen the way they do are actually important.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:56 pm
 


As much as most of you posters would LIKE a PM with dictatorial "Divine Right of Kings" power, you're never, ever gonna get one.
So continue to bash the PM with things he didn't do and couldn't do by reversing and misrepresenting the things he did do because he had to.
As for the impeachment bullshit, the PM's own party would've tossed him our in 6 months if he'd pulled of 10% of the shit Trump's done or even if he just incessantly lied a la the Orange Oaf. Just as has happened in other Parliamentary democracies.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:51 am
 


Chretien survived Adscam and Shawinigate and got re-elected. Trudeau survived SNC Lavalin and got re-elected. You wildly underestimate the dictatorial power and effective total control a PM has over the party and caucus in the Canadian system.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:54 am
 


herbie wrote:
So continue to bash the PM with things he didn't do and couldn't do by reversing and misrepresenting the things he did do because he had to.



[huh]

So how did we bash him for something he didn't do? Did he or did he not instruct his Minister of Justice to alter the way the Judicial system dealt with native offenders?

And why did he "have to" play the race card when it came to native justice. What I find hilarious is the fact that liberals keep claiming natives are "over represented" in the prison system. Well they are but, by the same token you could make the claim that natives are "over represented" in the commission of crimes which means that without the latter there'd be no need to claim the first.

Another fact is that if you work the prison population to show specific races you'd find that most non white prisones are "over represented" in prison based on the percentage of population they have in society.

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The findings indicate that Caucasians, along with Asians, are under-represented in the Canadian federal correctional system, while Blacks are over-represented. As noted earlier, there is a similar disproportionate representation of Blacks in correctional facilities in the United States (Stephan, 2001) and England/Wales (Elkins & Olgundoye, 2001). Furthermore, according to Elkins and Olgundoye, Asians are also over-represented in England/Wales.


https://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/research/r144-eng.shtml

So why didn't Trudeau instruct the Minister of Justice to deal with the over representation of blacks while dealing with the over representation of natives? Although he might have just have been pissed off to find that given the numbers whites in society they were "under represented" in prison.

So, the simple solution for the Liberal gov't would have been to keep their mouths shut and quietly go about fixing the problems of natives like they promised rather than trying to figure out another way to give them a pass when it comes to them committing crimes.

And, some of that money could have gone into looking at why, despite tilting the justice system tables to favour the natives when it comes to native incarceration with the Gladue ruling, it didn't work.

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The court ruled in the 1999 case R v. Gladue that judges should consider alternatives to incarceration when sentencing Indigenous offenders and take into account their unique life circumstances.

That's now known as Gladue factors, which can include family history of substance abuse and intergenerational trauma from the residential school system.

The 1999 Gladue decision was intended to address the overrepresentation of Indigenous people in the criminal justice system.

Many Indigenous justice advocates across the country, however, say the justice system has failed to live up to that promise, including in the North where there are higher rates of Indigenous incarceration.


BTW the justice system is supposed to be blind so, it shouldn't be "living up to promises made by bureaucrats". It should be administering justice to ALL Canadians fairly and equitably and leaving race considerations out of it's findings.


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