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Title: Muslim Canucks deal with stereotypes 10 years after 9-11
Category: Religion
Posted By: Guy_Fawkes
Date: 2011-09-06 03:32:15
Canadian

[Canajazz]

All I can say is and this is in no way negative towards them, get used to it.

[BartSimpson]

Muslim Canadians are also working pretty hard to validate those stereotypes.

[Gunnair]

BartSimpson wrote:

Muslim Canadians are also working pretty hard to validate those stereotypes.

Such as?

[Kitsune_H]

Gunnair wrote:

BartSimpson wrote:

Muslim Canadians are also working pretty hard to validate those stereotypes.

Such as?

Lots of small things. As for the sentiment... If you were from Brampton, Ontario, you'd see. They come to Canada, but buckle down in their own communities, pretty much speaking and acting as they would back from wherever they came.
But, mostly, I guess that it's just an irrational feeling on our part. As if the fact that they dress that way suggests that there are other more brutal traditions they might uphold.

[Gunnair]

Kitsune_H wrote:

Gunnair wrote:

BartSimpson wrote:

Muslim Canadians are also working pretty hard to validate those stereotypes.

Such as?

Lots of small things. As for the sentiment... If you were from Brampton, Ontario, you'd see. They come to Canada, but buckle down in their own communities, pretty much speaking and acting as they would back from wherever they came.
But, mostly, I guess that it's just an irrational feeling on our part. As if the fact that they dress that way suggests that there are other more brutal traditions they might uphold.

I see the same thing with Indo-Canadians, Sino-Canadians, and the British who flock to Oak Bay.

[andyt]

Muslim community leaders have certainly helped to propagate those stereotypes by not condemning the 9/11 attacks. And many Muslim communities seem to import imams that preach jihad - to the point where some Muslims are actually speaking out against it. And that's the bottom line - not enough Muslims seem to be willing to speak out against the Islamists. I've had conversations with some who condemn it, but when I suggest they speak out in their community, or write letters to the paper, they don't want to. Maybe from fear, maybe just that they present the face they think will please whoever they are talking to most. Moderate with me, say, more radical with each other. If Muslims didn't tolerate jihaids in their midst, Islamism would disappear overnight. Just like the Khalistan bombers had/have a lot of tacit support in their community.

[Gunnair]

andyt wrote:

Muslim community leaders have certainly helped to propagate those stereotypes by not condemning the 9/11 attacks. And many Muslim communities seem to import imams that preach jihad - to the point where some Muslims are actually speaking out against it. And that's the bottom line - not enough Muslims seem to be willing to speak out against the Islamists. I've had conversations with some who condemn it, but when I suggest they speak out in their community, or write letters to the paper, they don't want to. Maybe from fear, maybe just that they present the face they think will please whoever they are talking to most. Moderate with me, say, more radical with each other. If Muslims didn't tolerate jihaids in their midst, Islamism would disappear overnight. Just like the Khalistan bombers had/have a lot of tacit support in their community.

I wonder how loud the Irish American community was after Omagh.

[Benn]

Gunnair wrote:

Such as?

Lots of small things. As for the sentiment... If you were from Brampton, Ontario, you'd see. They come to Canada, but buckle down in their own communities, pretty much speaking and acting as they would back from wherever they came.
But, mostly, I guess that it's just an irrational feeling on our part. As if the fact that they dress that way suggests that there are other more brutal traditions they might uphold.[/quote]

I see the same thing with Indo-Canadians, Sino-Canadians, and the British who flock to Oak Bay.[/quote]

Filipinos here in Winnipeg as well, at least the first gen Canadians. Come the third gen most start breaking out of their culture burrows, as is the same I'm sure for Indos (we have a big area of them here too) and other cultures, including Muslims I'm sure.

When I've lived overseas I've sought out the English speaking western communities for support while settling as well. Must make me a bad guy too.

[andyt]

Gunnair wrote:

andyt wrote:

Muslim community leaders have certainly helped to propagate those stereotypes by not condemning the 9/11 attacks. And many Muslim communities seem to import imams that preach jihad - to the point where some Muslims are actually speaking out against it. And that's the bottom line - not enough Muslims seem to be willing to speak out against the Islamists. I've had conversations with some who condemn it, but when I suggest they speak out in their community, or write letters to the paper, they don't want to. Maybe from fear, maybe just that they present the face they think will please whoever they are talking to most. Moderate with me, say, more radical with each other. If Muslims didn't tolerate jihaids in their midst, Islamism would disappear overnight. Just like the Khalistan bombers had/have a lot of tacit support in their community.

I wonder how loud the Irish American community was after Omagh.

No idea, but my expectations for them would be the same. IRA supporters got a free ride for far too long.

[martin14]

Benn wrote:

When I've lived overseas I've sought out the English speaking western communities for support while settling as well. Must make me a bad guy too.

No, but it does show just how difficult the whole immigration / integration thing
really can be.

Just back from Tyrolia, it says Italy on the map, but absolutely without
question... it isn't.

[ShepherdsDog]

used to be Austrian. In my wife's hometown they used to have a Dr. from there, Dr Pesenti(sp?) but she was blonde and spoke with a soft German/Austrian accent.


I divide my time between taiwanese friends and foreign friends equally. Most westerners here are a bunch of piss tanks interested only in their next all you can drink event or screwing the readily available western groupies. The folks we hang around with are long termers who are married(mostly to locals), have kids and such. most of the taiwanese I hang out with have lived overseas, both for work and education,

[raydan]

Change your avatar, Shep... everytime I see it, I think it's Thanos.

[BartSimpson]

Gunnair wrote:

I wonder how loud the Irish American community was after Omagh.

Most Irish-Americans were oblivious to this at the time and most Irish-Americans now have little to no clue that they're of Irish lineage.

[Gunnair]

BartSimpson wrote:

Gunnair wrote:

I wonder how loud the Irish American community was after Omagh.

Most Irish-Americans were oblivious to this at the time and most Irish-Americans now have little to no clue that they're of Irish lineage.

Yep. I think it can work out that way in many groups.