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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:15 am
 


20 inches of rain, 12 feet of snow finally end 5-year drought in N. California

And this was not the first drought in California. What was different about this one do you think?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:40 am
 


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Hmmm, strange that they don't seem to aim the efficiencies toward the crop growing side of the equation. :idea:

Gotta get on them hydroponic farms.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:43 am
 


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20 inches of rain, 12 feet of snow finally end 5-year drought in N. California

And this was not the first drought in California. What was different about this one do you think?


Yeah, doesn't matter. We're still on restricted water rationing in NorCal so more water can be exported to Los Angeles. :evil:


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:23 pm
 


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N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
20 inches of rain, 12 feet of snow finally end 5-year drought in N. California

And this was not the first drought in California. What was different about this one do you think?


Yeah, doesn't matter. We're still on restricted water rationing in NorCal so more water can be exported to Los Angeles. :evil:


Unfortunately, California is much like Canada in that regard - most of our freshwater is also in the north, although it's not eyed as hungrily by Canadian cities as LA does northern California.

Who knows, maybe in 50 years Canada will be selling our water too:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Rec ... ment_Canal


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Maybe instead of allocating individuals water California and especially Southern California could buy a few desalination plants and put them to work to help keep their cities going in times of drought.

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Charles E. Meyer Desalination PlantClick to view a YouTube video about the Desalinization Plant
The City's Charles E. Meyer Desalination Plant uses state-of-the-art technology and design practices to reduce electrical demand and environmental impacts, while providing a critical water supply for the City.

The plant produces three million gallons of drinking water per day. This is equivalent to 3,125 acre-feet of water annually or about 30 percent of the City’s demand. The desalination plant is an important part of the City’s water supply portfolio which also includes surface water from Cachuma and Gibraltar reservoirs, groundwater, State water, purchased water, recycled water, and conservation. With the desalination plant online, extraordinary water conservation from the community remains critical to meeting water demands. At additional expense, the City has the option to expand the plant, up to the permitted capacity of 10,000 acre-feet of water annually, if drought conditions continue and additional water is needed.

The capital costs to reactivate the facility (at a capacity of 3,125 acre-feet per year) are $71 million financed over 20 years with a low 1.6 percent interest rate loan, which equates to $4.2 million per year in debt service. Annual operating costs are estimated to be about $4.1 million at full production and about $1.5 million in non-operation or standby mode. The plant could be put in standby mode during certain periods to reduce operating costs.


City Council awarded IDE Americas, Inc. a design/build/operate contract to re-commission the desalination plant. The design includes a screened ocean intake structure equipped with openings of one millimeter, diluted and diffused brine discharge, and high-efficiency pumps and motors to reduce the plant’s overall electrical power demands.

Improvements in Desalination Technology
A lot has changed in desalination technology since the plant was built in 1991.

The reactivated plant…

Uses 40 percent less energy than the original design, greatly reducing its electricity demand and carbon footprint, by using high-efficiency pumps, motors and improved filter technology.

Uses ocean intake pipes equipped with wedge wire screens recognized by the State Water Resources Control Board as a best available technology for screened open ocean intakes. The screens are made of durable copper-nickel alloy and have one millimeter openings to minimize marine life entrapment and impingement.


https://www.santabarbaraca.gov/gov/dept ... nation.asp


It's interesting that personal water consumption has dropped in recent years from conservation programs but that isn't about to stop the social engineers from putting their boot on the necks of peoples lives by allocating the amount of water people will get per day while allowing everything else in the state to "carry on as normal".

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Water in California is shared across three main sectors.
Statewide, average water use is roughly 50% environmental, 40% agricultural, and 10% urban, although the percentage of water use by sector varies dramatically across regions and between wet and dry years. Some of the water used by each of these sectors returns to rivers and groundwater basins and can be used again. (These official estimates were last updated in 2010, so they do not reflect recent drought-related changes in water use.)


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http://www.ppic.org/publication/water-u ... alifornia/

So, in essence the people in SoCal who pay the majority of the states bills in taxes are also being forced to pay for their own subjugation.


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I'll put it down as another negative Trump-era effect that golf courses, and golfers in general, are now being attacked with such ferocity these days. It sucks because they consume no more water than farms do and provide a valuable and safe green space free of vehicles for all kinds of birds and other animals.


Farms use a lot of water so that’s not saying much. According to google a typical golf course requires 100,000 to 1,000,000 gallons (378.5 m3 to 3,785 m3) per week. Per week! For what? A pastime mostly for the wealthy? At least farms feed people golf courses just waste land and resources.

And a safe green space for birds and animals is not one where the native trees and plants have been uprooted and replaced with foreign grass drenched in pesticides 24/7 (see: special pesticide exemptions for golf courses). If natural habitat is your concern then the land should be left undisturbed.


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You know, if someone pays for the course, pays taxes on the course, and pays for the water then it's their business...literally.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:34 pm
 


N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
20 inches of rain, 12 feet of snow finally end 5-year drought in N. California

And this was not the first drought in California. What was different about this one do you think?


As you say it’s not the first one your argument that they’ survived disaster in the past so why guard against the next one is silly . Just because the drought is over the water table doesn’t instantly return to pre-drought state either, you know.


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Maybe instead of allocating individuals water ....social engineers from putting their boot on the necks of peoples lives by allocating the amount of water people will get per day while allowing everything else in the state to "carry on as normal".

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I clearly explained to you that the bill is not “allocating “ water, nor regulating “individuals” and rather than reply you just go on repeating your falsehood Why is the your chosen tactic? Is it because you know your claims are wrong but want to keep repeating them anyway?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:58 pm
 


BeaverFever BeaverFever:
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
20 inches of rain, 12 feet of snow finally end 5-year drought in N. California

And this was not the first drought in California. What was different about this one do you think?


As you say it’s not the first one your argument that they’ survived disaster in the past so why guard against the next one is silly .


Wait a minute...

Who said that was my argument?

I know it wasn't me.

Feel free to have it with yourself though. I imagine you'll do better than the one you would have had with me.

How'd you like to have that one though? Just ask. I'll tell you what my argument actually was and is.

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And yes, I did read your link.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:14 pm
 


Oh I see

“Them thar un-legal ummagrants is a-stealin muh tapwaters!”

Is that it?


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No need to pretend your clever with the language. I'm happy to tell you.

Governor "Moonbeam" wasn't able to deal well with the water shortage during the last drought.

Too many people, not enough water.

So your link seemed to agree with Moonbeam in thinking the solution will be more controls over water usage while waiting for the next drought.

No comment on any controls over the open borders/sanctuary cities influx of population though. There have been droughts in the past. Sooner or later there will be others. Somebody mentioned desalination plants. Not sure why more of those as an assist was just ignored. Seems like that might be something that could be considered waiting for the next drought. They say it's expensive in California but I hear it works in Israel. They also do some sort of water recycling.

But Moonbeam and your link's solution to the problem of too many people/not enough water seems to be more people/the same amount of water and more controls over water usage in the good times between droughts.

Good luck with that California.


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BeaverFever BeaverFever:
Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
Maybe instead of allocating individuals water ....social engineers from putting their boot on the necks of peoples lives by allocating the amount of water people will get per day while allowing everything else in the state to "carry on as normal".

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I clearly explained to you that the bill is not “allocating “ water, nor regulating “individuals” and rather than reply you just go on repeating your falsehood Why is the your chosen tactic? Is it because you know your claims are wrong but want to keep repeating them anyway?


You can dress a pig up anyway you want but it's still a pig. So is the fact that when you tell people they can only use a certain amount of a resource it becomes their "allotment".

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al·lot·ment
əˈlätmənt/Submit
noun
the amount of something allocated to a particular person.
"the gadget shuts off the television set when a kid has used up his allotment"
synonyms: quota, share, ration, grant, allocation, allowance, slice; informalcut
"each member received an allotment of new shares"
UShistorical
a piece of land deeded by the government to a Native American, as part of the division of tribally held land.
BRITISH
a plot of land rented by an individual for growing vegetables or flowers.



So, please feel free to explain again how restricting the amount of water a person has the right to use isn't an allocation and for the record nowhere in the law does it say that since it's a state wide law so long as the individual utilities don't average out over 55 gallons per person they've met their goals.

What I heard from the guys in California is that they're going to be installing "smart" water meters like the "smart" hydro meters and if that's true it means your theory of everybody can use as much water as they want so long as the collective doesn't exceed their individual quota's just flew out the window along with the pig.

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California lifted its mandatory water restrictions in May but much of the state still has a rain deficit. We look at how water utilities are adapting to a drier future.A wet winter in the northern part of California has contributed to the lifting of a statewide water limit.

And July stats from the US Drought Monitor show about 60% of the state is still in severe drought, down from about 95% one year ago.

Southern California however is a different story with two or three years rain deficit to catch up on and an estimated 66 million dead trees in the forests since the drought began five years ago.

Not surprising then that out of 108 water utilities under the California Public Utilities Commission, more are rallying towards the deployment of smart water meters.

To date, the adoption of smart water meters and other sustainable water management technologies have lowered water leakages and usage by 20% in the US, according to Technavio data.

In addition to enhancing their management of water networks, utilities in California are also being pushed by regulatory mandates to install smart meters.

The rollouts are expected to help the utilities to meet the state governor's 2015 call for a 25% reduction in water usage as a measure to lower the effects of the drought which has affected California for the past decade.

California smart water meter rollouts
Four suppliers in both the first and second quarter of 2016 deployed and announced the installation of the metering system under trial and mass rollout projects in line with the governors' call.

Some have also announced plans to kick start their smart water meter projects before year end in a bid to upgrade their existing infrastructure which have limited optimal revenue collections.

Recently, the Santa Fe Irrigation District approved its plan to replace its existing 7,300 analogue water meters with the new smart water meters in an effort to improve its customer satisfaction by doing away with estimated billing.

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The utility firm is hoping to help its customers to use water more wisely by implementing the US$5.5 million programme as from this August through to 2021.

Commenting on the rollout of smart water meters, Bill Hunter, engineering manager of Santa Fe Irrigation District, said: “This is a primary tool to facilitate water conservation.”

In early June, the California state-owned water utility company East Valley Water District also entered into a US$2 million contract with water works equipment supplier Equarius Waterworks of Torrance to deploy smart water meters in a bid to address the scarcity of water caused by the drought.

The utility aims to enhance its network management through real time insights on how the distribution network is operating including the provision of notifications in the occurrence of water leakages and meter tempering.

The project will be funded by a loan granted the local water district by the California Department of Water Resources.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:14 pm
 


I was just browsing around for background on preparing for the next California drought and came across this.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26124989

It's from 2014 and doesn't solve anything but it's kind of fascinating so I though I'd share. Here's the title:

California drought: Why farmers are 'exporting water' to China


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Drastic measures to conserve water will be called for in the Western US. The party is coming to an end.


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