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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:51 am
 


CharlesAnthony CharlesAnthony:
All of the statistics are bullshit designed to deceive the public. Just ask a Canadian statistician.
Repeat after me: "Diversity is our strength. Flood the country with more poor people. To hell with the debt."

Thats a motto, dumbass. (note to mods, I'm sorry... I can't deal with him/it any more. be gentle.) Stats have numbers.


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$1:
All of the statistics are bullshit designed to deceive the public. Just ask a Canadian statistician.


Anyone who studies statistics knows they are quite accurate and often prophetic. Have been for hundreds of years.

$1:
Repeat after me: "Diversity is our strength. Flood the country with more poor people. To hell with the debt."


None of those are 'statistics'.


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Doesn't a labour shortage usually mean wages get raised? How about trying that...


ROTFL


Like that will ever happen. First they figured out that if you could get 2 parents working you could keep their wages low enough that both of them would equal out to one liveable income.

But, now that they've even screwed that up by not even raising those wages to keep up with the cost of living. So, they're going to have to come up with an new, inventive and wonderful reason why they "CAN'T" pay higher wages when the truth is that:

All the CEO's and high management personnel have seen others use the "how to get a really really really big obscene yearly bonus model and keep your stockholders happy". A model which includes the "threats of job loss in order to make the the fewer employees you retain work
much harder at the same wage while maximizing your company or corporations profits".
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You need to start your own corporation. 8)



The problem is the race to the bottom. You can't run a corporation that treats its employees "fairly", pays extremely well, offers benefits etc that others don't, unless you happen to be a monopoly, and even then you won't last long. That's why the government needs to level the playing field with mandatory minimums. Once every corporation has to follow the same high standards of labour treatment, they aren't competitively at a disadvantage and EVERYONE wins. Even the corporation in the form of highly productive employees, and a wealthy middle class to purchase their wares.

Also, your Trump BS is trumped up BS. That is all. [bonk]


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Prof_Chomsky Prof_Chomsky:
The problem is the race to the bottom. You can't run a corporation that treats its employees "fairly", pays extremely well, offers benefits etc that others don't, unless you happen to be a monopoly, and even then you won't last long.


Unfettered Capitalism is by definition a 'race to the bottom'. It can only survive by exploiting its customers and its workers, while providing a declining quality of product due to the desire for 'more'. More profit, more things shipped next year over this year, etc..

Prof_Chomsky Prof_Chomsky:
That's why the government needs to level the playing field with mandatory minimums. Once every corporation has to follow the same high standards of labour treatment, they aren't competitively at a disadvantage and EVERYONE wins. Even the corporation in the form of highly productive employees, and a wealthy middle class to purchase their wares.

Also, your Trump BS is trumped up BS. That is all. [bonk]


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BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
Prof_Chomsky Prof_Chomsky:

Doesn't a labour shortage usually mean wages get raised? How about trying that...


ROTFL


Like that will ever happen. First they figured out that if you could get 2 parents working you could keep their wages low enough that both of them would equal out to one liveable income.

But, now that they've even screwed that up by not even raising those wages to keep up with the cost of living. So, they're going to have to come up with an new, inventive and wonderful reason why they "CAN'T" pay higher wages when the truth is that:

All the CEO's and high management personnel have seen others use the "how to get a really really really big obscene yearly bonus model and keep your stockholders happy". A model which includes the "threats of job loss in order to make the the fewer employees you retain work
much harder at the same wage while maximizing your company or corporations profits".
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You need to start your own corporation. 8)


Laugh if you will but I saw it first hand in the military starting back in the late 60's up to the early 2000's. So while not maximizing profits for a corporation like the wage model does, when they couldn't fill the ranks they just passed on the extra work to the troops they had with zero thought to their mental or physical well being.

So I've had some experience in what the current work force is going through work wise. As for loss of wage parity, under the second worst PM ever, Brian Mulroney we went 7 years without a pay raise while every MP and the PM got one yearly.

So, I've seen the loss of earning power up close and given that they take your best 6 years wages to assess your pension, that seven years with zero pay raises cost alot of us a bunch of our retirement income.

Yet in every leadership or management course we took in the military they kept telling us that every organizations biggest asset is it's people. So if that's true why do the military and all of these corporations and companies keep fucking their biggest assets over if not for greed?


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Prof_Chomsky Prof_Chomsky:
You can't run a corporation that treats its employees "fairly", pays extremely well, offers benefits etc that others don't, unless you happen to be a monopoly, and even then you won't last long.


Yet in the USA Hobby Lobby, Chick-fil-A, and In-N-Out Burger have done these things for decades and all three firms are experiencing steady and profitable growth.


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Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
Laugh if you will but I saw it first hand in the military starting back in the late 60's up to the early 2000's. So while not maximizing profits for a corporation like the wage model does, when they couldn't fill the ranks they just passed on the extra work to the troops they had with zero thought to their mental or physical well being.

So I've had some experience in what the current work force is going through work wise. As for loss of wage parity, under the second worst PM ever, Brian Mulroney we went 7 years without a pay raise while every MP and the PM got one yearly.

So, I've seen the loss of earning power up close and given that they take your best 6 years wages to assess your pension, that seven years with zero pay raises cost alot of us a bunch of our retirement income.

Yet in every leadership or management course we took in the military they kept telling us that every organizations biggest asset is it's people. So if that's true why do the military and all of these corporations and companies keep fucking their biggest assets over if not for greed?


The military does not set pay grades nor do they set retirement policies. Your/my government does these things.

In publicly traded corporations the infection of the Business Roundtable (BRT) metastasized in the 1990's and the job of the CEO was transformed from growing the company to delivering profits to the shareholders. Even if that meant destroying the company to do so.

Thus we've seen one firm after another buy itself private so it can keep working.

On the other side of it we see Amazon raping and pillaging the workforce with wild abandon in order to satisfy the insatiable hunger of the myriad investment banks and pension funds who hold their stock.

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/amzn/holders?ltr=1

And that's the rub. If you want to go public then you have to accept that your values and your concern for your employees will get trashed in the name of quick profits for people who don't GAF if your firm still exists next year.

Were it my call I'd shutter the BRT. Then for publicly traded firms I'd prohibit corporate bonuses and raises to executives in any 18-month period in which there are wage freezes or layoffs for existing employees. No more of this shit where some cocksucker rapes a company, runs it into the ground, and then reaps massive bonuses for doing so.

Privately held firms would be exempt from this, of course. But then private firms want to stay in business so it's not a problem for them.


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BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Prof_Chomsky Prof_Chomsky:
You can't run a corporation that treats its employees "fairly", pays extremely well, offers benefits etc that others don't, unless you happen to be a monopoly, and even then you won't last long.


Yet in the USA Hobby Lobby, Chick-fil-A, and In-N-Out Burger have done these things for decades and all three firms are experiencing steady and profitable growth.


Costco also has one of the best and happiest workforces, and Wall Street constantly undervalues their stock because good employee benefits are considered a hindrance to profit.


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Prof_Chomsky Prof_Chomsky:
Meanwhile the same Financial Post is reporting terribly low wages for Millenials. Housing prices 75% higher than any previous generation.

Doesn't a labour shortage usually mean wages get raised? How about trying that...



Nope.
It means more migration, throw the doors open even further.


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Immigrants are the easiest way to raise GDP.


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Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Immigrants are the easiest way to raise GDP.

You can also change what you consider in your GDP.


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DrCaleb DrCaleb:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Prof_Chomsky Prof_Chomsky:
You can't run a corporation that treats its employees "fairly", pays extremely well, offers benefits etc that others don't, unless you happen to be a monopoly, and even then you won't last long.


Yet in the USA Hobby Lobby, Chick-fil-A, and In-N-Out Burger have done these things for decades and all three firms are experiencing steady and profitable growth.


Costco also has one of the best and happiest workforces, and Wall Street constantly undervalues their stock because good employee benefits are considered a hindrance to profit.


Costco is a great example. It's also unique in that people have a love of it and understand they're supporting good jobs.

Chick-fil-A is just made up crap.

"Hourly pay at Chick-Fil-A Inc ranges from an average of $7.75 to $16.95 an hour. Chick-Fil-A Inc employees with the job title Marketing Consultant make the most with an average hourly rate of $35.84, while employees with the title Server make the least with an average hourly rate of $5.54."
https://www.glassdoor.ca/Benefits/Chick ... irect=true

Not to mention, it's easy to pay more when you are on your upswing of growth. But if McDonalds, who already grew to practical capacity, tried to raise the cost of their workforce 20% their stock would tank over night.


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BartSimpson BartSimpson:
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Laugh if you will but I saw it first hand in the military starting back in the late 60's up to the early 2000's. So while not maximizing profits for a corporation like the wage model does, when they couldn't fill the ranks they just passed on the extra work to the troops they had with zero thought to their mental or physical well being.

So I've had some experience in what the current work force is going through work wise. As for loss of wage parity, under the second worst PM ever, Brian Mulroney we went 7 years without a pay raise while every MP and the PM got one yearly.

So, I've seen the loss of earning power up close and given that they take your best 6 years wages to assess your pension, that seven years with zero pay raises cost alot of us a bunch of our retirement income.

Yet in every leadership or management course we took in the military they kept telling us that every organizations biggest asset is it's people. So if that's true why do the military and all of these corporations and companies keep fucking their biggest assets over if not for greed?


The military does not set pay grades nor do they set retirement policies. Your/my government does these things.


Which is why I said, "So while not maximizing profits for a corporation like the wage model does, when they couldn't fill the ranks they just passed on the extra work to the troops they had with zero thought to their mental or physical well being."

I don't know about your gov't but ours work in concert with the military and when Gov't policies affect the military be it financially or personnel wise both institutions have to accept responsibility. One for instituting unrealistic or idiotic expectations and the other for being so spineless that they let them do it without any opposition.

All you have to do is look at the long list of Senior Officers in our military who have caved to the Gov't without a fight. Hell, other than Admiral Thomas, the last time I can remember having Senior Officers who stood up to a gov't that couldn't find it's own ass with both hands on a dark night was during the Cuban Missile crisis when our Admirals sent our ships to sea without the Gov'ts authority.

Their actions may have gotten them earlier than expected retirement but, the respect and legend they earned within the Navy still remains. It isn't hard to do the right thing what's hard is accepting the punishment you will receive for doing so.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:19 pm
 


Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Immigrants are the easiest way to raise GDP.


Oddly enough slavery would be a simple and effective economic boost too.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:47 pm
 


Thanos Thanos:
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
Immigrants are the easiest way to raise GDP.


Oddly enough slavery would be a simple and effective economic boost too.


Slavery in most industries is not cost effective. But it does seem to work out in sex trafficking and child abuse. :|


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