[Newsbot]

Title: Nuclear submarine commander 'argued with superiors' over BBQ and disco as sailors put in isolation
Category: Military
Posted By: Freakinoldguy
Date: 2020-04-24 13:03:46
Canadian

[Freakinoldguy]

This is a warrior who understand the military tenet that to be a good leader you have to know your men and promote their welfare. He'll likely loose his command and end up swallowing the anchor but, he did the right thing. To bad the wankers at the Admiralty don't think so and would apparently rather put the sensibilities of the civilian population ahead of keeping the moral up for the pointy end of the stick.

[Public_Domain]

disco? lol?

[uwish]

similar situation with a US Navy aircraft carrier CO. He was relieved of duty and the ships company almost revolted. From my experience, people like this generally make the absolute best commanders.

[rickc]

I do not see what the big deal is. These men have not seen the light of day for months now. They have had no communication with their families, no news, no contact with the outside world. Now instead of the normal festive homecoming that they would receive, they get tucked away for even more isolation. The world is not going to stop spinning because these sailors listen to some music while having a BBQ for an hour. I say that whoever had a problem with this BBQ is the one that should be relieved of command.

[Scape]

^^

Hear! Hear!

[Freakinoldguy]

rickc rickc:

I do not see what the big deal is. These men have not seen the light of day for months now. They have had no communication with their families, no news, no contact with the outside world. Now instead of the normal festive homecoming that they would receive, they get tucked away for even more isolation. The world is not going to stop spinning because these sailors listen to some music while having a BBQ for an hour. I say that whoever had a problem with this BBQ is the one that should be relieved of command.

This is just more career planning from some people looking to secure a promotion, job on retirement or a better posting by following blindly a dictate from the gov't that in this case doesn't make sense.

But the real problem is one of perception. To the higher ups who are obviously more concerned about their careers than their own sailors it's a case of "What will the civilians and gov't think". Especially if the word got out about sailors having a BBQ and disco on the jetty when everyone's been ordered to isolate.

Unfortunately for for these wannabe First Sea Lords and their blind obedience to gov't dictates, civilians in isolation shouldn't be in one of Her Majesties Dockyard to observe anything in the first place and even if the word got out, who really gives a shit other than people who don't really understand what a submarine is and what environment it operates in.

These sailors have been isolated for weeks already and are about to go into a second quarantine despite no chance of contact with the virus which makes the decision to refuse this banyan ridiculous. But, on the flip side, this guy may have done the right thing but he's about to find out that arguing with your superior is like wrestling with a pig. Everybody gets dirty but, the pig loves it.

[BartSimpson]

uwish uwish:

similar situation with a US Navy aircraft carrier CO. He was relieved of duty and the ships company almost revolted. From my experience, people like this generally make the absolute best commanders.

The carrier puke sent out an email on an unsecured email system and he sent it to the public. He endangered the safety of everyone aboard by telling the enemy his ship was a big floating target.

[rickc]

I am reminded of this scene from Das Boot where "sailors" meet real sailors:

[BartSimpson]

That's a great movie!

[PluggyRug]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

That's a great movie!

One of the best war movies ever.

[raydan]

I disagree...

[Thanos]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

uwish uwish:

similar situation with a US Navy aircraft carrier CO. He was relieved of duty and the ships company almost revolted. From my experience, people like this generally make the absolute best commanders.

The carrier puke sent out an email on an unsecured email system and he sent it to the public. He endangered the safety of everyone aboard by telling the enemy his ship was a big floating target.

NWORNG!

https://www.foxnews.com/us/navy-recomme ... lt-captain

$1:

Navy leaders have recommended that Capt. Brett Crozier be reinstated to command of the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt, three weeks after he was relieved for sending a fraught email to commanders pleading for faster action to protect his crew from a coronavirus outbreak, a message that was leaked to a San Francisco newspaper.

Well-placed sources told Fox News that Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Mike Gilday met with Defense Secretary Mark Esper Friday to present the findings of an investigation into Crozier's relief as well as the Navy's recommendations. Acting Navy Secretary James McPherson reportedly agreed with the recommendation that Crozier be reinstated.

The recommendation was first reported by The New York Times.

Planned briefings with lawmakers were canceled Friday after Esper asked for more time to review the recommendations.

“This afternoon, Secretary Esper received a verbal update from the acting Secretary of the Navy and the Chief of Naval Operations on the Navy’s preliminary inquiry into the COVID-19 outbreak on the USS Theodore Roosevelt," said Pentagon spokesperson Jonathan Rath Hoffman.

"After the Secretary receives a written copy of the completed inquiry, he intends to thoroughly review the report and will meet again with Navy leadership to discuss next steps. He remains focused on and committed to restoring the full health of the crew and getting the ship at sea again soon.”

Crozier was fired April 2 by then-acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly after sending a message to several naval officers warning about the growing virus outbreak and asking for permission to isolate the bulk of his crew members on shore in Guam, where the ship was forced to dock due to the outbreak. It was an extraordinary move that would take the carrier out of duty in an effort to save lives.

“If we do not act now, we are failing to properly take care of our most trusted asset – our sailors,” Crozier stated in his letter, which was published by the San Francisco Chronicle.

No worries though. Crozier will probably be blocked and then kicked out of the service altogether by confirmed military genius Disinfectant Donnie, who'll then go on to pin a presidential medal instead on some psycho who got court martialled for humping enemy corpses over in the sandbox.

[Martin15]

rickc rickc:

I do not see what the big deal is.

UK PC culture.



Go for a walk in the absolute middle of nowhere, the police will hunt you down.
Everyone is on lockdown, no one is allowed anything,
stay home, protect the NHS.
Remember the same nurses who in the US are out virtue signaling
during a protest ?

Completely out of control, comes with layers of jealousy, snitching,
and gallons of government incompetence.

[herbie]

The Beach 2020

Nuclear submarine crew must aimlessly wander the ocean during a world pandemic, can't land anywhere because as soon as one sailor is infected they ALL are within hours.
Mutineers put Capt who insists they obey orders overboard in a rubber dinghy....