[MacDonaill]

Quebeckers are Canadians too, even if many of them (and I say 'them' even though I am technically one of them, simply because I don't identify with most of them) don't like to admit it. As such, their opinions count the same as everyone else's. That's why I can't stand polls that separate Quebeckers from the rest of Canadians, as though they were somehow a different country and as though their opinions didn't really count as 'Canadian'. It pisses me off.

[Akhenaten]

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As such, their opinions count the same as everyone else's.

When was the last BQ MP elected to primeminister?

That's my point. They do not actively participate politically in federal issues, unless it directly affects them, this is the purpose of the BQ. So why are they polled on an federal opinion regarding Alberta oil sands?

I do not contend that they are Canadians (although many of them do).


Akh

[MacDonaill]

Akhenaten wrote:

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As such, their opinions count the same as everyone else's.

When was the last BQ MP elected to primeminister?

That's my point. They do not actively participate politically in federal issues, unless it directly affects them, this is the purpose of the BQ. So why are they polled on an federal opinion regarding Alberta oil sands?

I do not contend that they are Canadians (although many of them do).


Akh

The BQ is a political party supported by roughly ONE THIRD of Quebeckers. The other two thirds (the majority) are just regular Canadians with no intention of destroying the cohesion of this country.

Secondly, it's the Quebec population as a whole that is polled, along with the rest of Canadians. It is not the Bloc québécois.

[Gunnair]

Pimpbrewski wrote:

Don't care much for those Greenpeace types.

They do not seem to have a clue about economic matters. Those idiots only look at it from their point of view which is pollution, all the while ignoring the benefits.

The same blinder phenomenan can be said of both sides.

Oil patch types look at it from their point of view of economic benefits all the while ignoring the economic and health detriments of pollution.

[ziggy]

Gunnair wrote:

Pimpbrewski wrote:

Don't care much for those Greenpeace types.

They do not seem to have a clue about economic matters. Those idiots only look at it from their point of view which is pollution, all the while ignoring the benefits.

The same blinder phenomenan can be said of both sides.

Oil patch types look at it from their point of view of economic benefits all the while ignoring the economic and health detriments of pollution.

Well I think your wrong there,Alberta's probably the cleanest in Canada where energy out of the ground is concerned,unless you have proof otherwise and a few dead ducks in a tailings pond mean nothing.

[Pimpbrewski]

Gunnair wrote:

Pimpbrewski wrote:

Don't care much for those Greenpeace types.

They do not seem to have a clue about economic matters. Those idiots only look at it from their point of view which is pollution, all the while ignoring the benefits.

The same blinder phenomenan can be said of both sides.

Oil patch types look at it from their point of view of economic benefits all the while ignoring the economic and health detriments of pollution.

Perhaps the previous comment should be rephrased.

Sure, the companies operating in the oilsand could be cleaner. (Then again, The Zigster is probably in a better position to comment since he's been there. )

Take for instance, those extremists about the environment. The ones that have no regards for anyone else's views but their own. They use the media, eventhough not even close to reprensenting a dencent percentage of the population. In Quebec, there are those radicalists that protest about every major project due to environment concerns. The 30 around the island of Montreal has been delayed for years, in part cause of them. They have cried to the media about some bridge construction in MTL. Then, the local Quebec media sympathises with them, but never consider that it would eliviate traffic on the island, in turn, reducing gas emission. Although, it always seems funny that they only represent a very few minority of the populace yet get the majority of coverage through the local QC media.

[ziggy]

Anyone whos worked anywhere in the energy industry in Alberta know what it's like for regulation and reclamation.Most people should clean their own yards up before bitching about ours.
The envirofoilers like to jump on the oilsands because it's all they can get on the net as most environuts havent ever been there or in a gasfield,but the few dead ducks in a tailings pond makes for good alarmist propaganda.
There's more to Alberta's energy industry then just the oilsands but let them focus on that.In 30 years those tailings ponds will be reclaimed and native vegetation growing on it but you wont hear one word about that.

[mtbr]

"“Nobody does pictures like National Geographic,” sighed one Alberta government insider. “Too bad they didn’t include something from the buffalo paddocks where Syncrude has a 99.8% calving success rate.”

Wait a minute. The buffalo roam? On the tar sands? Gosh, do the deer and the antelope play there too?

Turns out there is a buffalo paddock with actual animals munching grass on a former tar sands pit, even though no official reclamation certificate has yet been issued by the Alberta government."

things a greenie will never mention.

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blog ... 44833.aspx