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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:38 pm
 


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Max is an idiot. I don’t support the PPC. BUT, I do think it was unfair to not let them into the debates. Let them take part.


If they can't win 3 ridings, why let them in? The Greens have 3.

If they let the PPC in, then they'd have to let the Communists in. Or the Rhino.

On second thought, let him in. He'd get eaten alive! [popcorn]

Well, I’m all in favour of the Rhino’s participating. :D I believe the PPC should get in because they are an expression of some deeply held beliefs of a smallish group of Canadians. Airing these ideas out in bright light could help put them to rest.


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Canadian values include
-Love of Hockey
-Hating(Loving) The Toronto Maple Leafs
-Loving Quebecois Food
-Hating People from Quebec
-Understanding there are only 2 seasons: Winter and Construction
-Loving to mock/belittle(and appreciate) Americans
-Love poorly shot Canadian shows
-Love off-beat Humour
-Put the "u" in the proper words
-Be able to bitch about the Government
-Must defend our somewhat functional Health Care system
-Must be able to apologise at least 200 times a day
-Must be able to use the phrase "I'm just going to sneak past ya there, bud" properly
-Know what a dart is


-blame every damned thing that is wrong with anything in Canada on the USA


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Canadian values include
-Love of Hockey
-Hating(Loving) The Toronto Maple Leafs
-Loving Quebecois Food
-Hating People from Quebec
-Understanding there are only 2 seasons: Winter and Construction
-Loving to mock/belittle(and appreciate) Americans
-Love poorly shot Canadian shows
-Love off-beat Humour
-Put the "u" in the proper words
-Be able to bitch about the Government
-Must defend our somewhat functional Health Care system
-Must be able to apologise at least 200 times a day
-Must be able to use the phrase "I'm just going to sneak past ya there, bud" properly
-Know what a dart is


-blame every damned thing that is wrong with anything in Canada on the USA

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blame every damned thing that is wrong with anything in Canada on the USA

I thought blaming it on Trudeau was the current trend?

Kind of like how my omelettes will rise now that they got rid of Obama.....


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blame every damned thing that is wrong with anything in Canada on the USA

I thought blaming it on Trudeau was the current trend?

Kind of like how my omelettes will rise now that they got rid of Obama.....


They aren't?


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Tolerance and acceptance... something a few of us here are clearly lacking.



The tolerance and acceptance is there. Problem is, now the proggies have upped the ante to loving and embracing. Mere tolerance and acceptance is no longer good enough.
So now I'm not just expected to tolerate and accept those who willingly break the law to enter Canada, now I have to love and embrace them. Just not too hard though or else I'll be accused of cultural appropriation.


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So now I'm not just expected to tolerate and accept those who willingly break the law to enter Canada, now I have to love and embrace them.


The PPC and Rebel "media" endure because they have convinced people that crossing the border and claiming asylum is illegal. It is not, never has been. They use some pretty well known and obvious techniques to convince you that "hot is cold" and "black is white".

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7. Sleeper Effect

Persuasive messages tend to decrease in persuasiveness over time, except messages from low-credibility sources. Messages that start out with low persuasion gain persuasion as our minds slowly disassociate the source from the material (i.e., a presumably sleazy car salesman and his advice on what car is best).

8. Social Influence

We are influenced strongly by others based on how we perceive our relationship to the influencer. For example, social proof on web copy is persuasive if the testimonials and recommendations are from authoritative sources, big brands, or peers.


https://www.fastcompany.com/3030173/how ... ade-people

Calling them 'invaders', calling them 'illegals', calling them 'border jumpers'. All things to get you to think of them in a negative way.

And the PPC is doing it with their 'Canadian Values' shtick. Why is it when I asked people to define what are 'Canadian Values' for me, no one could do it? Because it's a technique to make you think that you hold opinions different than them. In reality, you probably don't. They might have experiences different than you, but they probably hold very similar morals to you.

But Maxime has no purpose unless he holds the moral authority that his opponents don't have. And as I've demonstrated, he does not, because what he claims to represent doesn't exist.


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The PPC and Rebel "media" endure because they have convinced people that crossing the border and claiming asylum is illegal.

Technically in a sense it is illegal to jump the border. I say this because Canada and the United States have the Canada–United States Safe Third Country Agreement which requires refugee claimants to to file for refugee status in the first country they arrive in, unless they qualify for a special exemption under the Agreement.


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The PPC and Rebel "media" endure because they have convinced people that crossing the border and claiming asylum is illegal.

Technically in a sense it is illegal to jump the border. I say this because Canada and the United States have the Canada–United States Safe Third Country Agreement which requires refugee claimants to to file for refugee status in the first country they arrive in, unless they qualify for a special exemption under the Agreement.


That's true, but it's a treaty not international law. International Law, which Canada is a signatory to, states that crossing a border then asking for asylum makes the border crossing legal.

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The Safe Third Country Agreement is based on the premise that the US is safe for refugees. When Canada sends refugee claimants back to the US under the Safe Third Country Agreement, we are relying on the US to respect their fundamental rights. If the US fails to do so and sends them back to face persecution, Canada is also responsible for violating their rights. For this reason, Canada must not return refugee claimants to the US unless we are absolutely sure that the US will not send them back to persecution. It is impossible to have that confidence in the current context.


https://ccrweb.ca/en/refugees-entering- ... ountry-faq

That doesn't mean the asylum claim is legitimate, it can still be denied. Just the border crossing is legal.

https://ijrcenter.org/refugee-law/


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I'm not disputing that, but I think the crux lies with where they are crossing. Where do so-called "irregular crossings" lie under both the Canada–United States Safe Third Country Agreement and International Law?


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llama66 wrote:
I'm not disputing that, but I think the crux lies with where they are crossing. Where do so-called "irregular crossings" lie under both the Canada–United States Safe Third Country Agreement and International Law?


In the link I gave:

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The Safe Third Country Agreement only applies to people who make a refugee claim at a Port of Entry on the US-Canada border. It does not apply to people who have entered from the US and subsequently make a refugee claim. Even if Canadian border officials come upon the person right at the border, the Agreement does not apply if they are not at a Port of Entry.

Refugees entering irregularly generally present themselves as soon as they can to law enforcement officials, so that they can make their claim. They are not trying to avoid examination – they are just trying to avoid being sent back to the US.


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DrCaleb wrote:
I've always wondered, what are "Canadian Values". [huh]


A Canadian is someone who meets at least four of these characteristics:

- Supports some gun control laws but still goes hunting or target shooting once and a while.

- Has universal healthcare...and bitches about the cost of parking at the hospital, which is usually equivalent to a month's rent.

- Buys stuff from Timmies because it's expected of him/her, even though they know it's nowhere as good as it used to be when it was Canadian owned.

- Learned most of their French from the back of a cereal box.

- Patiently holds the door open for people who are 20 feet away.

- Says sorry when someone bumps into them.

- Knows their height in feet and inches and weight in pounds, buys kilograms of meat/veggies at the grocery store, drives at 60 km/h, not 40 mph, and knows the temperature in Celsius.

- Someone who doesn't give a shit what you do in your bedroom with whomever.

- At one point in their life had a Canadian flag as curtains or had sewn on their backpack when they travelled.


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I've always wondered, what are "Canadian Values". [huh]


A Canadian is someone who meets at least four of these characteristics:


Has been caught in a 'Canadian Traffic Jam', where two or more people in a grocery store aisle let the other proceed, while not wanting to go first. The resulting stoppage of flow results in no one going anywhere. "No . . after you!"


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DrCaleb wrote:
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So now I'm not just expected to tolerate and accept those who willingly break the law to enter Canada, now I have to love and embrace them.


The PPC and Rebel "media" endure because they have convinced people that crossing the border and claiming asylum is illegal. It is not, never has been. They use some pretty well known and obvious techniques to convince you that "hot is cold" and "black is white".
Um, crossing the border at a controlled entry point and claiming asylum is NOT illegal. Going out of your way to AVOID those controlled entry points to sneak into Canada IS illegal. And don't tell me it doesn't happen because it's regularly in the news. Like that American asshole out West helping illegals sneak into Canada, illegally. Sounds like the leftists are claiming that even illegal entry isn't illegal. I was also unaware that the US was a refugee source country. See, we're also not legally obligated to let a single one of them in. And let's face it, do you honestly believe that if an actual US citizen showed up at the border claiming asylum he or she would be treated the same as an illegal coming from the US trying making the same claim? Not a friggin chance.
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7. Sleeper Effect

Persuasive messages tend to decrease in persuasiveness over time, except messages from low-credibility sources. Messages that start out with low persuasion gain persuasion as our minds slowly disassociate the source from the material (i.e., a presumably sleazy car salesman and his advice on what car is best).
Irrelevant when people are actually sneaking across the border.

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8. Social Influence

We are influenced strongly by others based on how we perceive our relationship to the influencer. For example, social proof on web copy is persuasive if the testimonials and recommendations are from authoritative sources, big brands, or peers.
Irrelevant when people are actually sneaking across the border.

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HTTP://www.fastcompany.com/3030173/how-to-use-10-psychological-theories-to-persuade-people

Calling them 'invaders', calling them 'illegals', calling them 'border jumpers'. All things to get you to think of them in a negative way.

And the PPC is doing it with their 'Canadian Values' shtick. Why is it when I asked people to define what are 'Canadian Values' for me, no one could do it? Because it's a technique to make you think that you hold opinions different than them. In reality, you probably don't. They might have experiences different than you, but they probably hold very similar morals to you.

But Maxime has no purpose unless he holds the moral authority that his opponents don't have. And as I've demonstrated, he does not, because what he claims to represent doesn't exist.
Sounds like that's what you're doing. Using psychological theories to convince people that someone sneaking illegally across the border is exactly the same as a migrant/refugee showing up at a controlled entry point and applying for asylum.
When did Roxham road become an official entry point into Canada? Anyone? Anyone at all?

Now, you still say they're not illegals. But I beg to differ because Canada does as well. From a link from CTV Winnipeg. Would you please read what the sign on the right says.
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PublicAnimalNo9 wrote:
When did Roxham road become an official entry point into Canada? Anyone? Anyone at all?

Now, you still say they're not illegals. But I beg to differ because Canada does as well. From a link from CTV Winnipeg. Would you please read what the sign on the right says.
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Read again what I wrote.

DrCaleb wrote:
International Law, which Canada is a signatory to, states that crossing a border then asking for asylum makes the border crossing legal.


And every link I provided proves it correct, and you incorrect.


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