DrCaleb DrCaleb:
Fighter Fighter:
Pakistan was also called an ally but smarter folks over here knew what we were at that time.
And to further others' posts; Canada and Pakistan are allied through the Commonwealth of Nations. We do have mutual defence agreements.
I think you're right, sir...
Yes, Pakistan is part of common wealth alliance.
Hope to see some nice exchanges/steps b/w Pakistan and Canada in terms of culture, military and trade.
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Fighter Fighter:
I don't get this term "Ally"
What does this exactly mean?
Ally is someone who is of equal power and strength, especially in terms of economy and military.
Nobody has that strength like Americans have in those domains so that means whoever countries get called by Americans "ALLIES" are actually "puppets".
Pakistan was also called an ally but smarter folks over here knew what we were at that time.
This is bullshit term, easily fools people.
my 2 cents here.
No offense to Americans as people.
An ally is someone who you can depend upon in a pinch. That doesn't always mean you're friends with them, but that you watch their back and they watch yours because it's in your mutual interest to do so.
Alliances do not hinge upon a balance of power. They never have and they never will. Stronger countries seek out alliances for military reasons but sometimes the point of the alliance is to bring a potential adversary into your circle of trust.
After the Cold War ended I got to work closely with Speaker Gingrich in the US Congress on improving relations with Russia and I adamantly advocated bringing Russia into NATO to help bring Russia into the West and to help them integrate into Europe. We at least got them an observer seat at NATO and that went a long way to reducing tensions at least until a weak Obama sat on his hands and allowed Russia to be taken over by criminal oligarchs.
An alliance with Russia would make the world so much safer and so much more peaceful.
Even if we're not necessarily friends or equals.
The USA has a number of allies and we are not always friends with all of them. Yet we have mutual interests.
Pakistan and the USA have mutual interests and the security of Pakistan is of national interest to the USA because a strong and capable Pakistan stabilizes Southwest Asia and helps to convince the Iranians not to look east with their imperial ambitions.
Yes, we have puppets. And sometimes the US is the puppet for other countries. That happens.
Yet we have alliances with countries that are not our puppets and never will be. France, Spain, Brazil, etc.
Only because we have mutual interests.
And if those interests should diverge then the alliances will predictably end.
I expect the NATO alliance to end sometime soon. The European Union sees itself as an adversary to the USA and it wants to establish a national military. They don't seem to be too interested in NATO so when the EU takes over the militaries of its members the US is unlikely to continue supporting NATO.
The alliance will end because our interests have diverged.
Oddly, the European Union establishing a military that is not aligned with the US will inevitably cause Russia to more closely align with the USA. We may even form an alliance to counter European Union aggression.
And even though the US and Russia won't be best friends we will still be allies because of a mutual interest.
Who knows? An aggressive and imperialistic China could force India and Pakistan to form an alliance.
No one will expect you folks to be best friends yet you could still have a very strong alliance because your mutual interests will outweigh your mutual animosities. And parity or equality will be irrelevant and neither will be the other's puppet...
ever.
Does that make sense to you?
I can't help myself but thank you for such detailed reply...Really appreciate it. Some points of yours really made a lot of sense...Mutual interest can play a part...depends on how both parties leverage it.
llama66 llama66:
Fighter Fighter:
I don't get this term "Ally"
What does this exactly mean?
Ally is someone who is of equal power and strength, especially in terms of economy and military.
Nobody has that strength like Americans have in those domains so that means whoever countries get called by Americans "ALLIES" are actually "puppets".
Pakistan was also called an ally but smarter folks over here knew what we were at that time.
This is bullshit term, easily fools people.
my 2 cents here.
No offense to Americans as people.
An ally used to mean nations that were aligned and would fight alongside each other for a common purpose. but you're right Fighter...
Thanks.
Tricks Tricks:
Fighter Fighter:
I don't get this term "Ally"
What does this exactly mean?
Ally is someone who is of equal power and strength, especially in terms of economy and military.
Nobody has that strength like Americans have in those domains so that means whoever countries get called by Americans "ALLIES" are actually "puppets".
Pakistan was also called an ally but smarter folks over here knew what we were at that time.
This is bullshit term, easily fools people.
my 2 cents here.
No offense to Americans as people.
It means when push comes to shove we stand by each other because we share (largely) similar interests and values. And it means we have each other's back when shit hits the fan. It's why we landed thousands of people on 9/11 in our cities. Or why mexico sent firefighters to Alberta to help fight the wild fire. Or Australia and new zealand sending some to california. And it means that if the U.S. were to be attacked, Canada would spin up it's military and go to war with them against who ever attacked.
The problem with your area is that you shouldn't trust anyone around you as far as you can throw them. As much as I hate the government to the south, it will change eventually. The governments that surround you are largely corrupt immoral dictators. So allies there don't make much sense.
Yes, you're right...In case of war, Pakistan can only depend on China and Turkiye....
India is hostile
Iran is ambiguous,
Afghanistan can barely help itself.