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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:14 pm
 


westmanguy westmanguy:
Good we recognized Kosovo.

All our allies have, we needed too.


And I have a sneaking suspicion that Serbia will be the first to recognize a sovereign Quebec. :idea:


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:18 pm
 


Quebec, I'm sick of them. They are in the confederation, and are equal, no better. I am in favour of increased autonomy for all provinces.

If they vote in the future to leave, THATS IT. NO economic partnership, NO common currency, NO shared military force, NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING. They leave, it won't be a half-assed separation, it will be the full thing.

And because Quebec is so socialist and needs funding from the rest of Canada, a full out separation would never happen.

Not an issue. Thats why the ADQ is successful, they are after reasonable autonomy within the confederation.

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Anyhow, I don't get the situation of Serbia/Kosovo, BUT if a region wants to split from a country, why force them to stay!?!


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BartSimpson BartSimpson:
westmanguy westmanguy:
Good we recognized Kosovo.

All our allies have, we needed too.


And I have a sneaking suspicion that Serbia will be the first to recognize a sovereign Quebec. :idea:
Good for Serbia, it won't do anything for Quebec. Ultimately sovereignty is decided by it's people, not just by recognition from other countries.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:34 pm
 


RUEZ RUEZ:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
westmanguy westmanguy:
Good we recognized Kosovo.

All our allies have, we needed too.


And I have a sneaking suspicion that Serbia will be the first to recognize a sovereign Quebec. :idea:
Good for Serbia, it won't do anything for Quebec. Ultimately sovereignty is decided by it's people, not just by recognition from other countries.


and would it make you happy if many thousands of Americans

moved onto Vancouver island, then took it for themselves ??


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:00 pm
 


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Anyhow, I don't get the situation of Serbia/Kosovo, BUT if a region wants to split from a country, why force them to stay!?!


$1:
Good for Serbia, it won't do anything for Quebec. Ultimately sovereignty is decided by it's people, not just by recognition from other countries.


BINGO - we have a couple of winners.... I wonder if those who are against a free Kosovo then support China's claims of Tibet and Taiwan?

BartSimpson, this has nothing to do with Kosovo being Muslim or NOT... YES. I'm against the Taliban, Al Qeada and Muslim extremists... I support the US in Iraq & Afghanistan...BUT NOT ALL Muslims are of the same ilk as these...NOR must we take a stand against all Muslims... Just like not all Christians are members of the KKK or share their beliefs... Please plant your feet and mind solidly on the ground on this topic... You usually are a beacon of sanity here... But not this time...


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:18 pm
 


stemmer why do you feel we should always be kissing the American ass...?
Canada doesnt always have to agree with the US.. Chretien did the right thing. no mess...just stood his ground ... too bad that boot licker harper couldnt do the same...


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:20 pm
 


Well Westendguy... Harper made us a Nation.... if he ever gets a majority he will give us full independence... I think he is a closet separatist... (opinion)


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:25 pm
 


kenmore kenmore:
stemmer why do you feel we should always be kissing the American ass...?
Canada doesnt always have to agree with the US.. Chretien did the right thing. no mess...just stood his ground ... too bad that boot licker harper couldnt do the same...
Fuck you are an idiot. Why don't you try using your fucking brain for a minute. The United States, Turkey, Albania, Austria, Germany, France, United Kingdom, Taiwan, and Australia are some of the countries that have recognized Kosovo's independence. Yet you choose to once again spout your anti-Harper anti-American crap.


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kenmore kenmore:
stemmer why do you feel we should always be kissing the American ass...?
Canada doesnt always have to agree with the US.. Chretien did the right thing. no mess...just stood his ground ... too bad that boot licker harper couldnt do the same...


Sorry WRONG... Chretien was only following the orders of Paul Desmarais and protecting the family interests in Iaq... I thought we had this debate last month...

Better to stand alongside your friends and allies then the likes of China, Russia & France... Like George W Bush, I will NEVER sell my soveriegnty to officials in the UN I never voted for...

NOW, please take your anti-American rant elsewhere and punk OFF...!!!!!


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kenmore kenmore:
Well Westendguy... Harper made us a Nation.... if he ever gets a majority he will give us full independence... I think he is a closet separatist... (opinion)
Guess what jerkoff, you're as much a nation as the first nations indians. Think about that, if you vote to seperate from Canada, fully expect them to vote to stay within Canada as they have already mentioned. There won't be a thing you can do about it.


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any delusional asshole that thinks you can compare the situation in Kosovo with Canada and Quebec is simply that an asshole... Quebec suffers fuck all in the Canadian Federation... its apples and tangerines as the english say...


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:00 pm
 


martin14 martin14:
RUEZ RUEZ:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
westmanguy westmanguy:
Good we recognized Kosovo.

All our allies have, we needed too.


And I have a sneaking suspicion that Serbia will be the first to recognize a sovereign Quebec. :idea:
Good for Serbia, it won't do anything for Quebec. Ultimately sovereignty is decided by it's people, not just by recognition from other countries.


and would it make you happy if many thousands of Americans

moved onto Vancouver island, then took it for themselves ??


Bingo. There it is. R=UP


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:31 pm
 


martin14 martin14:
and would it make you happy if many thousands of Americans moved onto Vancouver island, then took it for themselves ??


You should have said Southern Ontario, that would better reflect the Serbia-Kosovo case.

As for the "our allies did it" argument, it's totally dumb, not only should we not follow our allies everytime everywhere just because thay are our allies, but our allies don't always necessairly do everything that's good for them and the West as a whole :!:

Kosovo is Serbia ! Косово је Србија !

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:32 pm
 


kenmore kenmore:
Well Westendguy... Harper made us a Nation.... if he ever gets a majority he will give us full independence... I think he is a closet separatist... (opinion)


I actually have a caricature of that posted on my wall. 'Quebec is a nation inside a nation.'

There were never any arguments that Quebec is a nation. What he meant is that you can be a Quebecer but also a Canadian.

What he meant was that Quebec could be its own nation while being part of a greater nation.

By the way he stole those words from Duceppe mouth, Duceppe was planning to use them to mean 'We're a nation inside a nation this is senseless.'

Nations are not defined by borders but by language, religion, culture and a shared history.
The Quebec nation is defined by: French, atheism, North American culture.

The Canadian nation is defined by: The French and English language, atheism, North American culture and a shared history among Francophones and Anglophones.

I'm a Quebecer but also a Canadian.

If I were to ask Canadian X what he is he would probably answer 'Ontarian' for example (I assume that Canadian would be obvious).

That's the beauty of a Federation.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:18 pm
 


kenmore kenmore:
Well Westendguy... Harper made us a Nation.... if he ever gets a majority he will give us full independence... I think he is a closet separatist... (opinion)


Harper will give you full independence ?.... ROTFL

I thought you were a real Quebecer ? Because any real Quebecer knows that real independence has to be taken and not given. Otherwise letting things be handed to you is kind of opposite of being really "independent" dont you think ?


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