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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:47 am
 


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I wonder how many people whining about the french protecting their language are similarly disgusted with all the Canadian content rules on TV and radio in an attempt to continue Canadian cultural programing which might otherwise be swamped by the much larger US culture (ironically just like the language problem). Hell even our beloved CFL forces teams to dress and play a certain number of Canadian players even though there may be lots more talented US players available.

I guess that's OK then because its english Canadians protecting their own.

I am against both.
We also have a law that tells radio stations to play AT LEAST 65% francophone songs. So, they can't even play english groups from Quebec like Arcade Fire or Simple Plan.


I'm not. I have no problem with laws designed to protect/help our culture either french or english. Now preventing bonafide QC bands like you mentioned only hurts the separatist cause as it makes damn sure nobody but a full on francophone will support a separate QC knowing full well they will have no cultural rights of their own.

He's not completely correct either because there are 100% English radio stations in Québec, and 100% English TV stations too.
This brings up the question though, do Canadian radio stations have to play a minimum percentage of Canadian songs?


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raydan raydan:
He's not completely correct either because there are 100% English radio stations in Québec, and 100% English TV stations too.
This brings up the question though, do Canadian radio stations have to play a minimum percentage of Canadian songs?


It's protectionism and we all should know that it isn't a good idea. I know about that because my girlfriend is a dance student in montreal and often complains about it. In order for "Canadian art" to get government funding it has to meet a lot of content standards which often puts too much strain on the direction of the work and I don't think that Canadians are on the same page as the government on what counts as "Canadian content". I think protectionism should be scratched. Embrace change, change is good :)


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:58 am
 


raydan raydan:
He's not completely correct either because there are 100% English radio stations in Québec, and 100% English TV stations too.
This brings up the question though, do Canadian radio stations have to play a minimum percentage of Canadian songs?


Yes they do as per CRTC Canadian content rules. Its one of the reasons why you keep hearing Harlequin - Innocence, The Kings - Switching to Glide, and Prism - Spaceship Superstar far more often then you should. :lol:

I kid. I actually like all those songs and its because they play them often I found out they were all Canadian songs.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_content

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For music, the requirements are referred to as the MAPL system. Following an extensive public hearing process organised by the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC), the MAPL system, created by Stan Klees (co-creator of the Juno Award), was adopted as a way to define and identify Canadian content in pieces of music for the purposes of increasing exposure of Canadian music on Canadian radio through content regulations governing a percentage (25%) of airplay that is to be devoted to Canadian music. The percentage was increased to 30 per cent in the 1980s, and to 35 per cent in 1998.

Some stations — especially those playing formats where there may be a limited number of Canadian recordings suitable for airplay, such as classical, jazz or "oldies", may be allowed by the CRTC to meet Canadian content targets as low as 20 per cent. Stations in Windsor, Ontario are also permitted to meet lower Canadian content targets, due to Windsor's proximity to the Metro Detroit media market in the United States.

Community radio and campus-based community radio stations often choose to meet higher Canadian content levels than commercial broadcasters because of their mandate to support up-and-coming Canadian artists and provide content not readily available on commercial radio or the CBC. However, legal Canadian content requirements may be lower for campus and community stations as they often air large quantities of category 3 music. The instructional campus radio station of Toronto's Humber College, CKHC, adopted a 100 per cent Canadian content policy in 2005. Commercial broadcaster CKNS in Haldimand offers a Canadian-heavy music format. To offer flexibility its owners applied for 60 per cent Canadian content, rather than 100 per cent, as their condition of license. CFMU Radio in Hamilton, Ontario had for many years a minimum quota for music by local musicians.

Before the MAPL system was established in 1971 Canadian music was regarded with indifference on Canadian radio. This was a major hurdle for Canadian musicians since they could not gain attention in their home country without having a hit single in the United States or Europe first. Even after MAPL was implemented, in the early 1970s some radio stations were criticised for restricting their Canadian content to off-peak listening hours, in program blocks mockingly known as "beaver hours". This practise is now prevented by CRTC regulations that stipulate that CanCon percentages must be met between 6 am and 6 pm, rather than allowing a station to save all their Canadian content for off-peak hours.

On satellite radio services, Canadian content regulation is applied in aggregate over the whole subscription package. The licensed satellite radio broadcasters, Sirius Canada and XM Radio Canada, are not required to adjust the programming on the international broadcast services they offer, but must offer a minimum number of Canadian-produced channels with at least 85 per cent Canadian content on those services.
[edit] How the MAPL system works

To qualify as Canadian content a musical selection must generally fulfil at least two of the following conditions:

* M (music) — the music is composed entirely by a Canadian.
* A (artist) — the music is, or the lyrics are, performed principally by a Canadian.
* P (production) — the musical selection consists of a performance that is:
o recorded wholly in Canada, or
o performed wholly in Canada and broadcast live in Canada.
* L (lyrics) — the lyrics are written entirely by a Canadian.[2]

There are four special cases where a musical selection may qualify as Canadian content:

* The musical selection was recorded before January 1972 and meets one, rather than two, of the above conditions.
* It is an instrumental performance of a musical composition written or composed by a Canadian.
* It is a performance of a musical composition that a Canadian has composed for instruments only.
* The musical selection was performed live or recorded after September 1, 1991, and, in addition to meeting the criterion for either artist or production, a Canadian who has collaborated with a non-Canadian receives at least half of the credit for both music and lyrics.

This last criterion was added in 1991, to accommodate Bryan Adams' album Waking Up the Neighbours. Adams had collaborated with British record producer Robert John "Mutt" Lange, and as a result, neither the album nor the worldwide smash hit single "(Everything I Do) I Do It for You" qualified as Canadian content under the existing rules. After extensive controversy in the summer of that year, the CRTC changed the rules to allow for such collaborations. Other Canadian artists with long-time international careers, like Anne Murray, Celine Dion, Avril Lavigne and Shania Twain, have used recording studios in Canada specifically to maintain Cancon status.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:45 am
 


MacDonaill MacDonaill:
More like 7 million.


BS the entire Qc population is only 7.7 million of which only 2.2 million designate themselves as "French" as their ethnic origin.

you cannot claim that just because there are large numbers of bilingual people in Quebec that speak either French or English (which is around 5 million) that they are all 'French'


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DerbyX DerbyX:
I wonder how many people whining about the french protecting their language are similarly disgusted with all the Canadian content rules on TV and radio in an attempt to continue Canadian cultural programing which might otherwise be swamped by the much larger US culture (ironically just like the language problem). Hell even our beloved CFL forces teams to dress and play a certain number of Canadian players even though there may be lots more talented US players available.

I guess that's OK then because its english Canadians protecting their own.


Actually I am completely against Canadian content laws, I am tired of paying more for having something with a maple leaf on it. And I think your CFL argument is pretty weak primarily now when the league is going into negotiations to INCREASE the number of Canadians and reduce the # of imports. Not because they just 'want' more Canadians but because they are finding more local talent than before. This is coming from the teams, not being mandated by the league.


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uwish uwish:
DerbyX DerbyX:
I wonder how many people whining about the french protecting their language are similarly disgusted with all the Canadian content rules on TV and radio in an attempt to continue Canadian cultural programing which might otherwise be swamped by the much larger US culture (ironically just like the language problem). Hell even our beloved CFL forces teams to dress and play a certain number of Canadian players even though there may be lots more talented US players available.

I guess that's OK then because its english Canadians protecting their own.


Actually I am completely against Canadian content laws, I am tired of paying more for having something with a maple leaf on it. And I think your CFL argument is pretty weak primarily now when the league is going into negotiations to INCREASE the number of Canadians and reduce the # of imports. Not because they just 'want' more Canadians but because they are finding more local talent than before. This is coming from the teams, not being mandated by the league.


Why is the CFL argument weak when you just said the league is attempting to increase the minimum number of Canadian players? That supports my argument since if the Canadian players were better then the US ones there would be no need right?

They can field an entire team of Canadians if they won't but the truth is that by and large US imports are a much better quality which is why the league requires a minimum number in the first place. If they didn't then every team would have pretty much all US players which is why US expansion failed. The US teams weren't under that requirement and so in short order dominated.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:00 am
 


Dear God,

Please allow a law to be passed that gives all Canadians the right to vote for the PQ.

Thanking you in advance,

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:01 am
 


I was implying that the teams are pushing to get rid of this rule and scout whom ever they want. My point was that the Canuck content rule was hurting them and not because they wanted more US players, they wanted more home grown players.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:03 am
 


uwish uwish:
MacDonaill MacDonaill:
More like 7 million.


BS the entire Qc population is only 7.7 million of which only 2.2 million designate themselves as "French" as their ethnic origin.

you cannot claim that just because there are large numbers of bilingual people in Quebec that speak either French or English (which is around 5 million) that they are all 'French'

Error.

80% consider themselves as primarily French speakers (mother tongue), not French-European origin.
Like, Moroccans are counted in that 80%.


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uwish uwish:
I was implying that the teams are pushing to get rid of this rule and scout whom ever they want. My point was that the Canuck content rule was hurting them and not because they wanted more US players, they wanted more home grown players.


That's where I think your logic fails. No rule prevents them from scouting and fielding more home grown talent. The rules state:

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The roster size for a CFL team is 46 active players with 42 available for game day rosters. Three of the 42 are quarterbacks and can be either imports or non-imports with no restrictions. Of the remaining 39 players, no more than 19 may be imports. Therefore the maximum amount of imports allowed on game day rosters is 22. Training camp rosters are set at 68 plus all non-counters (i.e. draft picks and two additional players not selected in the current draft year).


The maximum is applied only to imports but there is no maximum for Canadian talent right?

They can field an entire team of Canadians because there is no minimum number of imports either.

They are wanting to change the rule in order to ensure more Canadians get to play which is exactly Canadian content. If Canadian players are better then US (import players) then how are they being restricted?

Do you see what I am getting at?


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:17 am
 


Proculation Proculation:
uwish uwish:
MacDonaill MacDonaill:
More like 7 million.


BS the entire Qc population is only 7.7 million of which only 2.2 million designate themselves as "French" as their ethnic origin.

you cannot claim that just because there are large numbers of bilingual people in Quebec that speak either French or English (which is around 5 million) that they are all 'French'

Error.

80% consider themselves as primarily French speakers (mother tongue), not French-European origin.
Like, Moroccans are counted in that 80%.


This is French ethnic culture that is the subject matter.. Moroccans don't count.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:20 am
 


I agree to teach french as the primarily language in schools. What I am against is to FORCE people. Actually, the Bill 101 is only a Montreal thing. But it was applied to ALL the province. I agree to the right to work in french, the right to be served in french, etc. They are rights for us, a minority in Canada but a majority in Quebec.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:23 am
 


I already told that: I don't speak english that well. I studied in a region (100% french) of Quebec before coming to Montreal for University. My parents wanted me to learn english so that I could succeed in life. But we are forbidden to study ONE year in english to learn it well.

Now, I'm in Montreal. I speak a little bit of english, write and read it but I could not get a job that requires to speak english. Which are almost ALL jobs here...


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:27 am
 


Well you seem to be writing it quite well. Don't let the language law hold you back. It is important to have french language protection but not to stifle people


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