[Robair]

andyt wrote:

Anyway I didn't ask a Sask resident to give up their insurance. I do think they and the rest of us should give running medicare and education to the feds. We should have uniform standards in those areas across the country.

Then you are asking a SK resident to pay a monthly health care premium, and right now they don't.

Their response will be "pound sand". They'll even show you where you can find some.

[andyt]

Robair wrote:

andyt wrote:

Anyway I didn't ask a Sask resident to give up their insurance. I do think they and the rest of us should give running medicare and education to the feds. We should have uniform standards in those areas across the country.

Then you are asking a SK resident to pay a monthly health care premium, and right now they don't.

Their response will be "pound sand". They'll even show you where you can find some.

Why am I asking a Sask resident to pay that premium? Aren't BC and Ont the only provinces that still have them? I don't agree with paying health premiums because they are a regressive tax. One writer calls it a poll tax. I don't know why you keep seeing a national system as having to embody the negative elements of some provinces? Why can't it embody what other provinces are doing right?

[Robair]

Because majority rules. Population of BC + Ont... if it's all going to be one system, it sure as hell won't be the one a million people in SK come up with.

What's wrong with the way it is? The health care act regulates what the minimum requirements are, so you should be able to get that level of care coast to coast.

[andyt]

Robair wrote:

Because majority rules. Population of BC + Ont... if it's all going to be one system, it sure as hell won't be the one a million people in SK come up with.

What's wrong with the way it is? The health care act regulates what the minimum requirements are, so you should be able to get that level of care coast to coast.

I can't speak for Ontarians, but for BC, do you actually think people like the medicare premium? Would vote for it? I get mine paid for, but when I paid it myself it was just a pain in the ass, plus it keeps going up. But for people on lower incomes, but above the cutoff, it's a financial burden.

What's wrong with the way it is, is inconsistent coverage. We in BC seem to do pretty well with out of province coverage, but other provinces apparently don't. Why should I be denied a medically neccessary procedure in one province, while it's freely available in another? We should be able to receive the same medical care coast to coast to coast.

[Robair]

andyt wrote:

What's wrong with the way it is, is inconsistent coverage. We in BC seem to do pretty well with out of province coverage, but other provinces apparently don't. Why should I be denied a medically neccessary procedure in one province, while it's freely available in another? We should be able to receive the same medical care coast to coast to coast.

Yea, maybe that needs to be added to the health care act, your province of residency has to cover you 100% if you're hurt/sick while in another part of Canada.

I've never dealt with out of province care before, so I'm not sure how it works. I had always assumed you would be covered. *shrug*

[andyt]

Robair wrote:

andyt wrote:

What's wrong with the way it is, is inconsistent coverage. We in BC seem to do pretty well with out of province coverage, but other provinces apparently don't. Why should I be denied a medically neccessary procedure in one province, while it's freely available in another? We should be able to receive the same medical care coast to coast to coast.

Yea, maybe that needs to be added to the health care act, your province of residency has to cover you 100% if you're hurt/sick while in another part of Canada.

I've never dealt with out of province care before, so I'm not sure how it works. I had always assumed you would be covered. *shrug*

Yes, and you're missing the part where a treatment is covered in one province but not another. Read about it all the time, causes lots of hardship to the person involved. So coverage should be the same in each province too. Then there's the idea of funding of health care - shouldn't that be the same all over the country, not that a rich province has better care than a poor one, or a neo-con led province has less coverage than an NDP led one?

[Toro]

Thanos wrote:

- the medically uninsured/underinsured, or the tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths of these unfortunate people every year

Do you have a link for this to back it up? I'd be interested in seeing it.

[Toro]

PublicAnimalNo9 wrote:

I also don't think a two tier system would be viable in Canada. We've already had a lot of medical personnel head south for bigger paycheques and some of what has replaced them is NOT quality. With a 2 tier system, how many more medical personnel would head for the "for profit" side of the operation?

Rich Canadians going to the States for healthcare services is a two-tier system.

[DerbyX]

Toro wrote:

Thanos wrote:

- the medically uninsured/underinsured, or the tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths of these unfortunate people every year

Do you have a link for this to back it up? I'd be interested in seeing it.

current-events-f59/study-links-45-000-u-s-deaths-to-lack-of-insurance-t87177.html

[Toro]

Thanks!

[fifeboy]

Toro wrote:

PublicAnimalNo9 wrote:

I also don't think a two tier system would be viable in Canada. We've already had a lot of medical personnel head south for bigger paycheques and some of what has replaced them is NOT quality. With a 2 tier system, how many more medical personnel would head for the "for profit" side of the operation?

Rich Canadians going to the States for healthcare services is a two-tier system.

No it's not. If rich people want to go to the states and use their own cash to do so does not make for a two tiered system. If private insurance was available in Canada, operated to the detriment of the public system, then it would be two tiered. If some guy, say Conrad Black, or my friends father, wants to purchase a house in the states and pay property tax in Phoenix, does not make for a two tiered system of property tax. People get to spend their money on what they want.