Thats just a weird story. What his (her...) gender change has to do anything with it is beyond me...
he simply lost his marbles.
ridenrain
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:20 am
As usual. Unable to counter or dispell my argument, you resort to chatactor defamation of dodges.
Fifeboy: I would agree that firearms play a dominant role in US murders but that's the practical, "just kill the guy" murder. There's no ritual or symbolism involved.
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 11:58 am
ridenrain wrote:
As usual. Unable to counter or dispell my argument, you resort to chatactor defamation of dodges.
Fifeboy: I would agree that firearms play a dominant role in US murders but that's the practical, "just kill the guy" murder. There's no ritual or symbolism involved.
You apparently don't read on American gun forums. Try it, you might like it. The handgun and firearms in general are held in very high esteem, an almost religious reverence is shown for them. There is (now with Obama in the White House) a level of ridiculous fantasy developing around the culture of firearms. An example can be found here:http://www.yauponcreek.org/GunControl/WindowWar.html which I picked up on a forum for blackpowder shooters. It was, by the way, right behind the "Husband beheads wife who files for divorce" thread in which they all agree with you. Near by is the usual "Darwin is an Idiot who destroyed White Christian Civilization" thread. I can't comment on how you feel about that one.
ridenrain
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:34 pm
Do you want to tell us that American is now a religion..?
fifeboy
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:54 pm
ridenrain wrote:
Do you want to tell us that American is now a religion..?
Holy shit ride, get in your car, drive to the U.S. and talk to people. They are nice people, but they have a religious fervor when it comes to their country. It reminds me of an argument I had with an American when I was in University there. And please, I don't wish to argue the substance of the argument, it is for illustration only. We were arguing your and mine favorite, gun control. I pointed out to him that the U.K. had lower murder rates than America. (This was 1969!) He looked at me for a few moments and then yelled, as loud as he could, "England isn't the greatest country in the world you know!" That ended the discussion. He had nothing else to say and I was too stunned to comment. Not a religion, but loved blindly and with a religious fervor.
ridenrain
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:01 pm
Muzzammil Hassan was an American. He lived in Boston and is the man in this topic. He didn't shoot his wife like any red-blooded American would. He cut her head off.
If he just killed her, that would be enough and I wouldn't care because murder happens in all religions, races and peoples.
He took that big extra step of cutting her head off. That's a lot of work and he must have done that for a purpose.
He didn't chip her or hack her up to feed to pigs because those are methods of hiding bodies and covering tracts.
This extra work was done as a statement.
A statement to who?
Who was the most important in his life, except his wife? His children? hardly..
Might it be his god?
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 11:08 pm
ridenrain wrote:
Muzzammil Hassan was an American. He lived in Boston and is the man in this topic. He didn't shoot his wife like any red-blooded American would. He cut her head off.
If he just killed her, that would be enough and I wouldn't care because murder happens in all religions, races and peoples.
He took that big extra step of cutting her head off. That's a lot of work and he must have done that for a purpose.
He didn't chip her or hack her up to feed to pigs because those are methods of hiding bodies and covering tracts.
This extra work was done as a statement.
A statement to who?
Who was the most important in his life, except his wife? His children? hardly..
Might it be his god?
In answer to your question , no! I have never heard anything about Allah wanting heads. As he is probably from the middle east, If the link you gave says, I missed it. I suspect he did it because in his culture the sword is the "manly" way to go. I don't believe it states in the article if he killed her by decapitation or he cut her head off later. It may have and I missed it.
I agree with the people who say it's the killing of a close member of the family that is the important thing here, not his religion.
EDIT: Did this guy even own a gun? How did she die? And would she be any better off if he had blown her head off with a 12 gauge?
ridenrain
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Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 11:22 pm
You side step the point. If it was just muder, there'd be no story.
Japan definatly has a 'thing" for swords yet decapitation does not show up in their domestic murder stats.
Why go to the extra work to cut her head off?
fifeboy
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:02 am
ridenrain wrote:
You side step the point. If it was just muder, there'd be no story.
Japan definatly has a 'thing" for swords yet decapitation does not show up in their domestic murder stats.
–verb (used with object) 1. to cut off the head of; kill or execute by decapitation.
so, no indication here of extra work. I guess we have to put the blame on one sick individual that the U.S. justice system will have to deal with and not "Allah" or "Muslims."
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:38 am
ridenrain wrote:
You side step the point. If it was just muder, there'd be no story.
Japan definatly has a 'thing" for swords yet decapitation does not show up in their domestic murder stats.
Why go to the extra work to cut her head off?
Doing a little research here:
Murder rate in Japan (1991) 1.20/100 000 Murder rate in Japan with handgun 0.05/100 000
You can do the math.
How are all the murders in Japan commited? I can't find out. Most likely not by the easiest method. I wonder how many of these are by sword? Where did you get your Japan domestic murder stats? I would like to see them.
Do you want to tell us that American is now a religion..?
Holy shit ride, get in your car, drive to the U.S. and talk to people. They are nice people, but they have a religious fervor when it comes to their country. It reminds me of an argument I had with an American when I was in University there. And please, I don't wish to argue the substance of the argument, it is for illustration only. We were arguing your and mine favorite, gun control. I pointed out to him that the U.K. had lower murder rates than America. (This was 1969!) He looked at me for a few moments and then yelled, as loud as he could, "England isn't the greatest country in the world you know!" That ended the discussion. He had nothing else to say and I was too stunned to comment. Not a religion, but loved blindly and with a religious fervor.
1, I spend more time there then you'll ever, (religious fervor) it's called pride stupid, try it sometime.
2, Uni in 1969? W0W you're old as dirt.
3, "Not a religion, but loved blindly and with a religious fervor" Again thats called pride and it's lacking in Canada because of the liberals and their hate for everything in the WEST.
ridenrain
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:01 am
fifeboy wrote:
ridenrain wrote:
You side step the point. If it was just muder, there'd be no story.
Japan definatly has a 'thing" for swords yet decapitation does not show up in their domestic murder stats.
Why go to the extra work to cut her head off?
Doing a little research here:
Murder rate in Japan (1991) 1.20/100 000 Murder rate in Japan with handgun 0.05/100 000
You can do the math.
How are all the murders in Japan commited? I can't find out. Most likely not by the easiest method. I wonder how many of these are by sword? Where did you get your Japan domestic murder stats? I would like to see them.
It's not just the number of murders. Just because you want to work another anti-American slant in this is beside the topic.
Someone's head dosen't just pop off in the process of a murder. It takes quite a bit of work to saw someones head off with a knife.
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Decapitation in Islamic Theology Groups such as Abu Mus‘ab al-Zarqawi's Al-Tawhid wa al-Jihad (Unity and Jihad) and Abu ‘Abd Allah al-Hasan bin Mahmud's Ansar al-Sunna (Defenders of [Prophetic] Tradition)[10] justify the decapitation of prisoners with Qur'anic scripture. Sura (chapter) 47 contains the ayah (verse): "When you encounter the unbelievers on the battlefield, strike off their heads until you have crushed them completely; then bind the prisoners tightly."[11] The Qur'anic Arabic terms are generally straightforward: kafaru means "those who blaspheme/are irreligious," although Darb ar-riqab is less clear. Darb can mean "striking or hitting" while ar-riqab translates to "necks, slaves, persons." With little variation, scholars have translated the verse as, "When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks."[12]
For centuries, leading Islamic scholars have interpreted this verse literally. The famous Iranian historian and Qur'an commentator Muhammad b. Jarir at-Tabari (d. 923 C.E.) wrote that "striking at the necks" is simply God's sanction of ferocious opposition to non-Muslims.[13] Mahmud b. Umar az-Zamakhshari (d. 1143 C.E.), in a major commentary studied for centuries by Sunni religious scholars, suggested that any prescription to "strike at the necks" commands to avoid striking elsewhere so as to confirm death and not simply wound.[14]
1, I spend more time there then you'll ever, (religious fervor) it's called pride stupid, try it sometime.
Perhaps, I lived there for 20 years! Yourself?
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2, Uni in 1969? W0W you're old as dirt.
Yep, I'm 60! Of course you wouldn't of thought to check my profile, it is stated there.
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3, "Not a religion, but loved blindly and with a religious fervor" Again thats called pride and it's lacking in Canada because of the liberals and their hate for everything in the WEST.
Goodness, you are an expert, eh! Well, funny, the liberals have been the elected government how many years? My my wackey, you are on a roll today. Perhaps you should take a poll, here on CKA. Title: do you have pride in Canada. Try it, you may not like the results, but first, take one of these:
fifeboy
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:56 am
ridenrain wrote:
It's not just the number of murders. Just because you want to work another anti-American slant in this is beside the topic.
Someone's head dosen't just pop off in the process of a murder. It takes quite a bit of work to saw someones head off with a knife.
Ride, I was hoping for a more measured response from you. Where and when have I ever shown an anti-American slant on this forum? Show me please. My wife, with dual Canadian/American citizenship may hear about it and I will be in big trouble. If we can get back to topic now, no--heads just don't pop off, unless you are killing them with a very large, sharp blade.
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Decapitation in Islamic Theology Groups such as Abu Mus‘ab al-Zarqawi's Al-Tawhid wa al-Jihad (Unity and Jihad) and Abu ‘Abd Allah al-Hasan bin Mahmud's Ansar al-Sunna (Defenders of [Prophetic] Tradition)[10] justify the decapitation of prisoners with Qur'anic scripture. Sura (chapter) 47 contains the ayah (verse): "When you encounter the unbelievers on the battlefield, strike off their heads until you have crushed them completely; then bind the prisoners tightly."[11] The Qur'anic Arabic terms are generally straightforward: kafaru means "those who blaspheme/are irreligious," although Darb ar-riqab is less clear. Darb can mean "striking or hitting" while ar-riqab translates to "necks, slaves, persons." With little variation, scholars have translated the verse as, "When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks."[12]
For centuries, leading Islamic scholars have interpreted this verse literally. The famous Iranian historian and Qur'an commentator Muhammad b. Jarir at-Tabari (d. 923 C.E.) wrote that "striking at the necks" is simply God's sanction of ferocious opposition to non-Muslims.[13] Mahmud b. Umar az-Zamakhshari (d. 1143 C.E.), in a major commentary studied for centuries by Sunni religious scholars, suggested that any prescription to "strike at the necks" commands to avoid striking elsewhere so as to confirm death and not simply wound.[14]
Regarding all this, all I can say is David sure had a hard on for Goliath and his head. You give me Quarm quotes, I can give you Bible quotes. Cutting heads off is just something people did back then. Islamic terrorists do it because they know it will get the Networks nickers in a knot, and ensures coverage. Personally, I would rather die by decapitation than by hanging. Messy but real quick.
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