[SprCForr]

All you had to do was cock it, turn the selector to Auto and if the weapon was jarred hard enough the bolt would go forward firing the weapon. Quite the piece of work them things.

[DerbyX]

Thats a sten gun right?

[SprCForr]

Sterling. It's the fancy version of a STEN

[DerbyX]

How do you control a weapon that goes off whenever it gets jarred? This gun was in service for some 40 years right?

[Wullu]

The MP5 is about as idiot proof a firearm as you are ever likely to find.

My fellow sailors use them safely!!! And there are very few things out there that can be said to be sailor proof!

And semi-auto? If you are an idiot with a full auto weapon, I ain't likely to feel a lot safer when you are running a semi.

[DerbyX]

Why the hell are our most recognizable and revered police force not properly trained in the use of a reliable weapon like this??????

Not just now but over the years. 2Cdo was apparently correct about police and firearm training or the lack thereof.

[gonavy47]

Lower the standards for hiring, expect lower performance. That may be the problem. Have the standards been lowered in recent years? I wonder...

[SprCForr]

DerbyX DerbyX:

How do you control a weapon that goes off whenever it gets jarred? This gun was in service for some 40 years right?

Proper handling drills. It sort of illustrates the lack of such if Mounties have trouble with an MP5.

[Scape]

Those SMG were USELESS! Jammed all the time and couldn't hit the broad side of a war. That and the penetration value of the round couldn't pierce a wet paper bag. About the only GOOD thing that POS could do was the 'ball room blitz'. Where you cock it and lob it into a room with suspected enemy. The round firing would case the gun to jump and the gun was made so cheaply and light it would fire another round when it hit the ground until the 30 round mag was expended.

[DerbyX]

OK, the current HK MP5 debate aside.

Are you guys saying the WW2 classic Sten gun was a clusterf*ck of a weapon?

[Scape]

It was cheap, mass produced and made for ease of use. The Russian PPSh-41 was a better made SMG.

[DerbyX]

Well the Sten gun was only in use until the 60s so unless you guys are lying about your age you should not have been training with that weapon.

The FN Fal sure but a WW2 gun with loads of problems ......

Although I do recall a few Phoenix Force novels detailing the use of a Sten gun.

[Scape]

SMG was taken out of service in my unit in 1989 and I joined in the summer of 88. The FN was also taken out of rotation to be replaced by the C-7 but we didn't get them in sufficient number until spring of 1990 so we still had FNC1 and C2's in reserve.

[SprCForr]

It wasn't a STEN, it was a Sterling. They were out starting in '86 for us. But yeah they were junk unless you needed to spray a room with a whole bunch of 9mm. They were a limited issue thing for us. Section Commanders and drivers usually.

Edit to add: It was fun to shoot though.

[2Cdo]

Scape Scape:

That and the penetration value of the round couldn't pierce a wet paper bag.

9mm fully jacketed rounds are as useful as tits on a boar.