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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:40 pm
 


Title: Record-breaking cold didn�t stop the City�s Renewable Energy System
Category: Business
Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2020-02-10 13:29:26
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:40 pm
 


So they're saving the environment by burning wood?

Something about that doesn't sound right. Is this the sort of project our carbon taxes are going to support?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:12 pm
 


I disagree.
This sounds right.


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In The Anarcky, sane people burn wood to create heat. Crazy and bad people make life more complicated.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:22 pm
 


There are varying arguments on that. Here's one from the left's warmist favoring, Guardian newspaper:

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Burning wood releases more CO2 than gas, oil and even coal for the same amount of heat, so to make it climate neutral we need an increase in forests

With snow on the ground, many people will have been huddling around a wood fire, but researchers are questioning if wood burning is really climate neutral. Burning wood is not CO2 free; it releases carbon, stored over the previous decades, in one quick burst. For an equal amount of heat or electricity, it releases more CO2 than burning gas, oil and even coal, so straight away we have more CO2 in the air from burning wood. This should be reabsorbed as trees regrow. For logs from mature Canadian woodland, it could take more than 100 years before the atmospheric CO2 is less than the alternative scenario of burning a fossil fuel and leaving the trees in the forest.

This matters to prevent climate tipping points such as an ice-free Arctic or shifting monsoon patterns before the wider decarbonisation can take place following the trajectories of the Paris and Kyoto agreements. Critics of this view say that the trees would never have been left to grow, but would instead have been chopped down for wood or paper. It seems that wood burning is not climate neutral in the short term and requires an increase in forested area to be climate neutral in the longer term.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:30 pm
 


Prince George is burning wood waste to make heat instead of just burning it to get rid of it?
They're doing something with it? Goddam Progressives!!!


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:36 pm
 


herbie wrote:
Prince George is burning wood waste to make heat instead of just burning it to get rid of it?
They're doing something with it? Goddam Progressives!!!


Cute, but doesn't address this:

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Burning wood releases more CO2 than gas, oil and even coal for the same amount of heat


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:58 pm
 


Oh, I get it!
You are afraid of Cartoon Dioxide!


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:33 pm
 


Here’s the background:

https://www.princegeorge.ca/City%20Serv ... nergy.aspx


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:46 pm
 


So that was actual wood-burning for power generation? And not the wood burning from setting crosses on fire that Liberal MP's claim keeps happening in PG all the time? :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:45 pm
 


Well we see it more important to keep the forest fuel under control so another forest fire doesn't drive us out of our homes again. Triumph of common sense over people who spend all day dredging the Internet for anything they think is vaguely related to their ill formed views.

Hedy Fry will never live that one down! Most people here would scratch their head in wonder and think they burn crosses because they're atheists....


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:52 pm
 


BTW there's a biomass plant in my own town, huge project. Shut down until new parts get here from Spain. The chip pile's been put out twice since it closed, the land it's built on was once 30 ft deep of smouldering sawdust.
Mills are just like oil and mines. Shut down leave a mess for the public to clean up. Only the trees from their allotments still grow so they ship them out of town. Fuck you over twice.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:09 pm
 


That Hedy Fry keeps getting elected over and over again is a good reminder that the Trumpers aren't the only cultists out there that will forgive just about anything if Our Guy does or says it.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:57 pm
 


herbie wrote:
Well we see it more important to keep the forest fuel under control so another forest fire doesn't drive us out of our homes again. Triumph of common sense over people who spend all day dredging the Internet for anything they think is vaguely related to their ill formed views.


You keep forgetting who you're talking to...or about. I'll remind you. When it comes down to the down and dirty of PG I know more than any office worker. And not from the internet.

For example: I know this. Chip piles don't generally just sit there waiting to start forest fires. Care to tell the folks at home what they are generally used for and have been used for since before Greta Thunberg was so much as a glint in her father's eye? Hint: If you really do live close to the city - even in your office, you should smell the answer on a cold foggy morning.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:19 pm
 


Yeah some of it was used to make the 'smell of money', the rest just burnt in beehive burners. Now some is shipped out to other biomass and wood pellet plants.
And now there is 0 growth in pulp & paper, pellet plants, biomass plants and beehive burners are long outlawed there's still growing piles of wood waste.
It's YOU associating Greta Thunberg and CO2 emissions with what they're doing just as you do with every fucking thing you dig up that you can possibly use to discredit any attempt to do anything better than in your Grampa's day.
Got it? Getting heat from the pile of wood chips in front of your face is an improvement over drilling for more oil or gas and scratching your ass over what to do with the wood waste.
And any office worker can tell you that.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:31 pm
 


Didn't they shut one of those three pulp mills down or something? Seems to me I heard something about that. Do they still have that plywood/particle board plant up in the industrial site?

Still...

PG: White spruce capital of the world, right? But any kind of scrub wood can be run through a chipper for wood-burning if they need extra.

And I didn't start the "low-carbon heat/renewable energy" blather. It's in the OP.

I just cut through the BS is all. :wink:


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