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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:37 am
 


Title: Researcher exposes money trail behind U.S.-based campaign to kill the oilsands
Category: Environmental
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Date: 2019-01-18 01:35:04
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:37 am
 


This story needs to get heavy circulation in BC and Quebec. Like yesterday.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:18 am
 


When are you folks going to remove Notley and Trudope for American collusion?


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:21 am
 


I'm afraid I know jack about the Rockefeller Brothers fund.

They a collection of lobbyists or? How much does this fund have to do with the American government?


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:37 am
 


Robair wrote:
I'm afraid I know jack about the Rockefeller Brothers fund.

They a collection of lobbyists or? How much does this fund have to do with the American government?


The Rockefeller family made their giant fortune in oil exploration.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:49 am
 


Robair wrote:
I'm afraid I know jack about the Rockefeller Brothers fund.

They a collection of lobbyists or? How much does this fund have to do with the American government?


Neither. They're just another phony 501c(3) that donates to leftist causes looking to manipulate the message with cash.

Here's another example of how they work:

Rockefeller Caught Funding Ocasio-Cortez’s Green New Deal


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:50 am
 


Yes, that much I know.

I mean the current incarnation and how much they have to do with US policy.

*edit that was after Celeb's post.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:58 am
 


Robair wrote:
Yes, that much I know.

I mean the current incarnation and how much they have to do with US policy.

*edit that was after Celeb's post.


Hmmm...I'd be surprised if there was any definitive answer to that.

Best guess would be it would depend on who's in power and how much you believe in things like the deep state.

They and the mass of those like them do hope to influence US if not global policy though. That seems to be a given.

Try InfluenceWatch. They're usually a good place to start for info on such things:

https://www.influencewatch.org/?s=rockefeller+fund


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:05 pm
 


OK I’ll bite, which US oil interests? Name names. The most interesting part of the article gets barely 5 words and then way too much of the article is simply spent describing how the Canadian environmental groups gets funding from their counterparts in the US but you could say that about many charities or nonprofits.

I’d be interested in learning more about the US oil interests, wonder why they chose to gloss over it

Edit: The “Researcher” is a long-time paid and funded spokesperson for the oil and gas industry. (and previously the salmon farming industry) so that explains that. Note the dates on the articles below:

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Vivian_Krause


https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/desmog-cana ... try_recirc

https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/sandy-garos ... try_recirc

Still if there’s more info about these “US oil interests” I’m willing to give it a look


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:31 pm
 


I'm not sure what's got your panties in a bunch this time, Beave.

Apparently some hysterical slurs you found in some Alt-left blogs or something.

Your complaint is that "way too much of the article is simply spent describing how the Canadian environmental groups gets funding from their counterparts in the US" but it's baffling why that would surprise you seeing as that's what the title says the article is about.

"Researcher exposes money trail behind U.S.-based campaign to kill the oilsands"

The claim is there is a money trail of financing from US based, phony American charity groups with an anti-oil-sands agenda pushing activism against the Canadian oil sands.

What exactly surprises you about them trying to explain that do you?


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Krause warned the crowd that gathered on the Tsuut’ina Nation, on the western edge of Calgary, that she would be showing rather boring slides that prove that millions of dollars in payments from multibillion-dollar U.S. charitable foundations are being made to Canadian environmental groups annually, “because, frankly, if I was just to tell you who paid whom and how much, it’s hard to believe. It comes off like a tinfoil-hat conspiracy theory.”

She also warned the IRC — which represents 134 First Nations that have oil and gas resources on their land — that if it does move forward with the exciting and potentially lucrative opportunity of buying Trans Mountain and the plans to twin that existing pipeline, “you don’t just get the pipeline, you get a foreign-funded campaign along with the pipeline.”

Eight years ago, while researching who was behind an unscientific, misinformation campaign against farmed Canadian salmon, Krause “came across these three little words: Tar Sands Campaign” in the tax forms of the Rockefeller Brothers Fund (which, ironically, made its billions from oil and gas). She saw that the foundation donated $1.4 million in 2007 to Corporate Ethics, “to recruit the groups, develop the strategy, create a co-ordinated campaign and act as a re-granting agency for the North American Tar Sands Campaign,” states CorpEthics.org, the group’s website.

“From the very beginning, the campaign strategy was to land-lock the tar sands so their crude could not reach the international market where it could fetch a high price per barrel,” boasts Michael Marx, the executive director of Corporate Ethics.

The massive price discount in October 2018 of as much as US$52 per barrel for Alberta oil demonstrates that this campaign has been extremely effective. It is helping to make Americans richer and Canadians poorer. Alberta Premier Rachel Notley announced late last year an 8.7 per cent production cut to reduce the differential that was costing the Canadian economy $80 million to $100 million a day, an effective strategy that some energy executives say has resulted in deeper production cuts because of how the formula plays out on Alberta’s larger producers.

“This strategy is successful to this day,” adds the CorpEthics post. “All the proposed pipelines in Canada have effectively been blocked.”


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:53 pm
 


N_Fiddledog wrote:
I'm not sure what's got your panties in a bunch this time, Beave.

Apparently some hysterical slurs you found in some Alt-left blogs or something.

Your complaint is that "way too much of the article is simply spent describing how the Canadian environmental groups gets funding from their counterparts in the US" but it's baffling why that would surprise you seeing as that's what the title says the article is about.

"Researcher exposes money trail behind U.S.-based campaign to kill the oilsands"

The claim is there is a money trail of financing from US based, phony American charity groups with an anti-oil-sands agenda pushing activism against the Canadian oil sands.

What exactly surprises you about them trying to explain that do you?


As usual the only slurs are from the lying Right and their corporate sugar daddies who tell them what to you think with their fake news and astroturf “researchers”. . Explain to me again how you’re not a corporatist I need a good laugh.


You don’t understand because you’re not capable of critical thinking especially about narratives that suit your agenda (note: peddling grandiose conspiracy theories against narratives that conflict with your agenda is not critical thinking, especially since youre mostly regurgitating them from other sources).

How can I I explain this any simpler? She’s exploiting your ignorance of the world to make the mundane seem suspicious. There’s a money trail from international charities to Canadian charities for all kinds of things: starving kids, youth sports, whatever.

Do you know some of the donations to Canadian youth football charities come from US football charities? Must be a sinister conspiracy right?!

Do you know that when Canadians donate to starving kids in Africa there’s a “money trail” to Africa? Help, call the police!


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Krause warned the crowd that gathered on the Tsuut’ina Nation, on the western edge of Calgary, that she would be showing rather boring slides that prove that millions of dollars in payments from multibillion-dollar U.S. charitable foundations are being made to Canadian environmental groups annually, “because, frankly, if I was just to tell you who paid whom and how much, it’s hard to believe. It comes off like a tinfoil-hat conspiracy theory.”


She has the numbers and you don't Beave. She has the facts and figures on slides and you don't.

You can 'up is down, black is white' until the cows come home, if you like.

But what you can't do is avoid the obvious. That - as always - goes like this. You got nothin'


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:46 pm
 


Here she is presenting her point. She shows she's researched the problem and she knows what she's talking about.

Unfortunately Beave, the obvious takeaway as concerns you is you haven't and you don't.





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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:27 pm
 


If you want to reduce carbon emissions globally, it makes no fucking sense to attack oil supply in Canada. All that does is shift money from Canada to the Americans and the Saudis. We burn just as much, but somebody else supplies it.

You need to make gains on demand, not supply to achieve your goal of reduced carbon emissions. Stopping pipelines and protesting oil sands just puts Canadians out of work while enriching princes that like to kill journalists.

I have no trouble at all buying into Krause's narrative.


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