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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 3:06 pm
 


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It's interesting because the fascists in Britain and the US were fairly well organized during the rise of fascism in Europe in the late 20's and 30s. The fascists had some high-profile members in royalty in Britain and in industry in the US. They were never well-liked but tolerated. AS war drew closer--in Britain first, then the US--people drew to be intolerant of the fascists and Nazis in their midst and the fascists had to go into hiding, switch sides, leave the country or go to jail.

These people backing Putin may need to be pretty careful if this ratchets up. And it well may. Starting to look like Putin is determined.


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Zipperfish Zipperfish:
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It's interesting because the fascists in Britain and the US were fairly well organized during the rise of fascism in Europe in the late 20's and 30s. The fascists had some high-profile members in royalty in Britain and in industry in the US. They were never well-liked but tolerated. AS war drew closer--in Britain first, then the US--people drew to be intolerant of the fascists and Nazis in their midst and the fascists had to go into hiding, switch sides, leave the country or go to jail.

These people backing Putin may need to be pretty careful if this ratchets up. And it well may. Starting to look like Putin is determined.


Well, they can pretty much keep Stephen Segal.


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What happens after Putin?

https://www.rawstory.com/putin-era-is-over/

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Former U.S. Ambassador to Russia Jon Huntsman is blunt when commenting on Russian President Vladimir Putin's future in the wake of his brutal invasion of Ukraine.

“He’s done. The Putin era is over,” Huntsman said. “The only thing we need to now understand is the level of damage he’s going to do as he goes. I think that could be substantial, and we have to be prepared for that.” The former ambassador's comments came during a speech to the Economic Club of Minnesota, the Salt Lake Tribune reports.

Huntsman was the chief U.S. diplomat in Moscow from 2017 to 2019 under the Trump administration. He's not at all surprised by Putin’s move on Ukraine.

“It’s very telling when you walk into Putin’s office, and you see a portrait on the wall of Peter the Great. That’s not there by accident,” Huntsman said. “There’s a sort of emotional connection Putin feels there. He’s a man of empire — not just the Soviet empire but the Russian empire.”

Huntsman believes the longer the conflict drags on, the greater the chances of escalation. “He’s [Putin] a master of escalation. It keeps me up at night just thinking about it. Putin will continue with force, and it will get worse,” Huntsman said. “We have to be extremely careful, so this does not evolve into a confrontation where horrible weapons are introduced to the battlefield like tactical nuclear weapons.”

How the war ends is impossible to predict. Some are hopeful that the crippling effect of economic sanctions on Russia and Ukraine's much fiercer-than-expected resistance to the Russian onslaught might engender a quick end to the fighting. Huntsman isn't so sure. “Does this mean Putin begins to have second thoughts about what he’s done? No, that’s not Putin’s style. He’ll double down, and things will get rougher,” Huntsman warned. “I have feelings of tremendous unease about what the days and weeks ahead hold.”

The former diplomat also has another important concern: what happens to Russia if Putin is removed from power. Huntsman says the damage already done to that country from the conflict is immense, leading to greater instability and he warns the U.S. needs to be prepared.


If the West fails again, just like we did in the 1990's & 2000's after the Soviet Union fell apart, to assist Russia in the proper way so they can build some sort of genuinely democratic and properly functioning non-strongman/non-gangster political/economic/social system, then whoever follows Putin could conceivably be much worse. :|


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The US had their swing at kingmaker the 1st time and let Puntin take it all in the name of free market reform. This time a unified EU will be the kingmaker and will make Russia a part of a client state of a larger super power. That is unless China gets there 1st.


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Tricks Tricks:
https://twitter.com/CanadaUN/status/1504464863510335488

Now that's some classic Canadian shade we can be proud of ROTFL


Shades of the 2014 tweet from Canada At NATO:

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Traitors can't help be traitorous...


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The US had their swing at kingmaker the 1st time and let Puntin take it all in the name of free market reform. This time a unified EU will be the kingmaker and will make Russia a part of a client state of a larger super power. That is unless China gets there 1st.


The Europeans were in full Reagan/Thatcher mode in the 1990's themselves, and acted like fucking carpetbaggers to loot as much as they could the few valuable things in the East Bloc. The eastern portion of Germany is still poverty-stricken today thanks to wealthy west Germans buying up & moving anything they could make to the western side of the old west/east border and leaving the easterners with nothing. The descendants of the people who built the old colonial empires that tormented endless millions across the entire planet are as much a pack of "what's in it for me" jackals as any cluster of American bankers has ever been.

As the core human tragedy is to repeat the same thing over and over and over again, no matter how devastating the consequence are to everyone who isn't in the world's elite demographic. After Putin I fully expect Russia to be abandoned to it's fate, no matter the later cost to the entire world, the same way it was when Communism collapsed. Or left to be dominated by a new generation of murderous gangsters and devious bureaucrats who are identical to Putin. After all, among the first "aid" workers the United States sent into Iraq were hedge fund managers to "teach" the locals how to set up American-style financial businesses that leech anything of value out of an entire region and leave sweet fuck all for the "loser" that get left behind. Leave any rebuild to those who benefit the most already from the current world arrangement and all that's guaranteed is more future strife & tragedy.

The beat goes on and shows no sign it will ever stop. A hundred years from now it'll be the same. Entire new generations dancing to the tune being played by the handful of true psychopaths who simply won't allow anything decent to ever be built because it interferes with their endless quest to acquire everything they can for their own pleasure.


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^^

I agree. The call's for a no fly 162 times was trite.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 5:03 pm
 


@ Thanos. Putin has done what no one else could, unite the EU by force.

Think about that. Charlemagne failed, Napoleon failed and Hitler failed. They were doing it wrong.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 5:31 pm
 


This is Maxim. He is 11. At night, he came to the position of the Ukrainian military to become a volunteer and fight. He was safely handed back to his mother by Ukrainian soldiers:).
This is something Moscow will never understand.

https://twitter.com/AseyevStanislav/sta ... 2822939649


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