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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:03 pm
 


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Schoenbach conceded Russia's actions in Ukraine needed to be addressed. But he added that "the Crimea peninsula is gone, it will never come back, this is a fact," contradicting the joint Western position that Moscow's annexation of the peninsula from Ukraine in 2014 cannot be accepted and must be reversed.


Impossible to argue with that. Thinking that Crimea will be given back to Ukraine is as ridiculous of a pipe dream as whining that the Golan Heights will ever be relinquished back to Syria by Israel.

The facts on the ground are always the only true reality. Everything else is just blithering nonsense coming from interest groups and from the media.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:29 pm
 


Putin taking Crimea was exactly like Hitler taking the Sudetenland. I think they said the same thing back then too.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 9:02 pm
 


Going by the ethnic distribution maps the dominant demographic in Crimea is made up of Russians. It's the only place in the country where Ukrainians are a minority of the population.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 7:19 am
 


Strutz Strutz:
Hell, even here in the Lower Mainland my city has a Ukrainian Church, community centre and retirement village.


You can't drive through rural Alberta without seeing a Ukranian Orthodox church too.

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One of the best places in my old town for lunch, besides the Legion, is the Ukrainian Cultural Heritage Centre.

https://multicentre.org/

And Guess what Rick, you can drive through much of the United States, and find Ukrainian Orthodox churches too.

https://www.uocofusa.org/directories_parishes


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:57 pm
 


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There's gonna be WAR.



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 4:14 pm
 


Not sold on that, the window of opportunity for a quick campaign is rapidly closing if it isn't already slammed shut. I think Putin is looking for an out.

Now that there are serious numbers of troops being committed it changes the calculus. Even if they were to get wiped out this would mean the US and Russia would be at war and I can't see Putin taking that big of a risk.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 4:50 pm
 


Another consideration for Russia has to be that if they get into it with the US they won't be facing a rookie military learning as it goes. Or one degraded by terrible morale issues like at the end of the Vietnam era. They'll be facing off against a battle-hardened American force, one that over the last twenty year has learned all the modern tricks from urban fighting, to open-field combat, to near-perfect clockwork co-ordination between all segments of it's various services. Put a bunch of Russian tanks on Ukrainian soil where they're no longer safely under the umbrella of anti-aircraft missile defenses and it's a very high likelihood that the US helicopter & A10 Warthog detachments will chew them up as much as they did to the Iraqis, or like the Israelis have done multiple times to their various Arab enemies. And that would be before the Russians run headfirst into the multiple-times battle-proven M1 Abrams and British Challenger tank regiments. Then add the Ukrainian forces into the mix, because they'll be fighting with the same survival instinct that the Russians themselves had from 1941 to 45 about battling to the death against a murderous foreign oppressor.

The Russians could be in quite a bit of trouble as they stand a very high probability of being beaten, basically on their home turf, by an opponent that certainly isn't a shrinking violet. Their own nationalist propaganda at home about rebuilding the old empire the czars built centuries ago has every chance of turning out to be a complete paper tiger, with no basis in reality that Russian will be able to pull it off. If they've talked themselves into believing it will be an easy fight then they're going to be badly shocked when the exact opposite happens.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:31 pm
 


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:09 pm
 


More sabre-rattling and people are declaring war again.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:42 pm
 




Post script: US is going over the line. Europe and Ukraine are not pulling their diplomats and see the US actions as an over-reaction. We are here now thou and this has changed from sabre rattling to a catastrophic misstep. Both sides need to pull back NOW.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 7:04 pm
 


I disagree. Putin/The Russkies aren't going to learn anything until they try their so-called 'invasion' and get whupped in a BIG way. Russian arrogance is off the charts, and the only way to bring them back to Earth is to give them the world's biggest bloody nose.

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