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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:49 am
 


Title: Scheer says detention of Canadians in China is retaliation for Huawei arrest
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Posted By: DrCaleb
Date: 2018-12-21 09:47:47
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:49 am
 


Why thank you for your input, Captain Obvious.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:53 am
 


...and the Liberal government has not yet confirmed a link, so I guess the rule is "better be sure than stupid". :wink:


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:57 am
 


The Canadian Government won't confirm a link, because that makes it a political issue, rather than a legal one.

The Chinese Government isn't denying they are being held as retaliation, so the Canadian Government doesn't have to.


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I hope Canada gets out of this mess soon.

This move of arresting Huawei's CFO has costed Canada in terms of reputation greatly.

A country who most likely remains hidden from Geo-politics of world and chilling somewhere in North American continent

suddenly

out of nowhere just jumped into middle and said

"See what did I do"

This is exactly what I feel...Hope you guys don't take offense out of it. I am sympathetic to China, being a neighbor and having long history of cooperation but at the same time I have great respect for Canadians as well. You guys and Your PM is quite famous in Karachi, Pakistan.

Karachi tops Trudeau's global fan following on Facebook

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1083237/karachi-tops-trudeaus-global-fan-following-on-facebook/

Canadians usually never come into limelight but it looks like when you guys come, you come with a bang. All lights are on Canada as of now.

US and China, two "superpowers" will continue their game though. I really don't know what the fuss is about....Chinese and Americans both are trying to increase their spying capabilities....US sanctions are not UN sanctions, so legally no nation can't bound to not trade with Iran as the allegations are being thrown, which are still not even proved.

Am I right? on this?


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:09 pm
 


Admiral Scheer is still alive? Good to know. :wink:


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:11 pm
 


China questions Canada's treatment of 'illegally detained' Huawei CFO





China says 3rd Canadian detained for working illegally




Don't know how much truth in this below news...


Canadian Michael Kovrig held in a Chinese cell with lights on 24 hours a day, source says

The conditions of Kovrig's detention contrast with those of Meng Wanzhou, who was released on bail and is staying at a luxury home in Vancouver

BEIJING – Michael Kovrig, one of two Canadians being detained in China, is being kept in a cell with the lights on 24 hours a day, according to a person familiar with his situation, in what is being seen as an act of Chinese retaliation against Canada for the arrest of an influential executive.

Kovrig has also been denied access to a lawyer and will be allowed only one consular visit a month, the person said on condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive situation.

“The Chinese side protects the legitimate rights and interests of Michael Kovrig and also helped facilitate the Canadian side’s efforts to fulfill their consular duties,” Hua Chunying, a spokeswoman for China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said at a regular briefing in Beijing on Friday.

Canadian Global Affairs declined to comment.

Kovrig, a former Canadian diplomat in Beijing who has been China analyst for the International Crisis Group think-thank for the last two years, and Michael Spavor, who lives in Dandong and promotes exchanges with North Korea, were both detained Dec. 10 on suspicion of endangering China’s national security.

They were arrested while a Canadian court was considering whether to allow Meng Wanzhou, chief financial officer of Huawei Technologies, to be released on bail after arresting her Dec. 1 at the United States’ request. She is wanted for extradition to New York to face fraud charges relating to the company’s alleged violation of American sanctions against Iran.

Analysts said that the timing of the arrests left little doubt that they were politically motivated and acts of reprisal for the arrest of Meng, the scion of one of China’s most internationally successful companies.

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First details have emerged of Michael Kovrig’s detention since Dec. 10. Facebook

Kovrig was detained by plainclothes officers in Beijing at 10 p.m. on Dec 10, the person said. He is now being held at an undisclosed location and is not allowed access to a lawyer or loved ones or apply for bail.

The conditions of Kovrig’s detention contrast starkly with those of Meng, who was released Sunday on $7.4 million bail after a multiday court hearing, in which she was represented by high-powered lawyers and observed by throngs of journalists. She is now staying at one of her luxury homes in Vancouver while awaiting the outcome of her extradition proceedings, which could take many months.

Canada’s ambassador, John McCallum, visited Kovrig Friday, in line with the bilateral agreement between China and Canada that stipulates consular visits must take place within 48 hours of being requested.

McCallum met Kovrig at a police station, not at the place where he is being detained. Kovrig told the ambassador that he is being interrogated morning, afternoon and evening, and that the lights in his cell are always on, said the person, who described Kovrig as tired and stressed. Kovrig will not be allowed a consular visit for another month.

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Members of the media wait outside the residence of Huawei Technologies CFO Meng Wanzhou after she was released on bail in Vancouver. Jason Redmond/AFP/Getty Images

Chinese authorities are able to keep suspects in secret locations for up to six months – without access to a lawyer – as they gather evidence under a system called “residential surveillance at a designated location.” Those who have experienced the ordeal have described intense interrogation sessions and, on occasion, beatings and torture as authorities seek confessions that can be used in court or for propaganda purposes.

There is no indication that Kovrig has been beaten, although sleep deprivation through incessant lighting is classified as a form of torture.

Peter Dahlin, a Swedish NGO worker who was held in a black jail near Beijing under similar circumstances for 23 days in 2016, described similar interrogation and sleep deprivation tactics after his release.

McCallum was allowed on Sunday to see Spavor, another detained Canadian expatriate, in Dandong on the North Korean border, but no details of Spavor’s detention have emerged.

The Washington Post’s Gerry Shih in Beijing contributed.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-michael-kovrig-held-in-chinese-cell-with-lights-on-24-hours-a-day-source


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:00 pm
 


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China questions Canada's treatment of 'illegally detained' Huawei CFO

It's just awful. Far worse than being in a cell with the lights on 24 hours a day? Treated so poorly she ordered pizza for the reporters outside.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:37 pm
 


herbie wrote:
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China questions Canada's treatment of 'illegally detained' Huawei CFO

It's just awful. Far worse than being in a cell with the lights on 24 hours a day? Treated so poorly she ordered pizza for the reporters outside.


But she was forced to use a Samsung phone and not a Huawei phone.

Oh, the horror. :roll:


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:23 pm
 


BartSimpson wrote:
Admiral Scheer is still alive? Good to know. :wink:


Unfortunately it appears that the Canadian one is far away from the bravery and other qualities of the original German model. The acorn apparently blew off the tree and landed on the other side of the ocean, not just literally but figuratively too in terms of being a convincing leader. Probably slightly better than Trudeau but at this stage anyone else is too so that's not much of a compliment anymore. Something about the kid is just not inspiring at all. :|


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:11 pm
 


BartSimpson wrote:
herbie wrote:
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China questions Canada's treatment of 'illegally detained' Huawei CFO

It's just awful. Far worse than being in a cell with the lights on 24 hours a day? Treated so poorly she ordered pizza for the reporters outside.


But she was forced to use a Samsung phone and not a Huawei phone.

Oh, the horror. :roll:

MAybe worse! Forced to use an iPhone and pay Apple for the ankle monitoring app!

Even worse = a Canadian carrier plan! With 100 Meg "free data" and $20 a Gig overages!


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herbie wrote:
Even worse = a Canadian carrier plan! With 100 Meg "free data" and $20 a Gig overages!


That’s clearly torture. Actually, the Geneva Conventions explicitly forbid the use of Canadian carrier plans.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:09 pm
 


Technically when we arrest someone on behalf of a another country that hasn't even laid out the charges yet, it's bullshit. I don't care if the USA has 60 days to file the exact charges, this isn't the fucking USA.
And obviously we all know they grabbed those two in retaliation, but when the country that asked us to do it is lead by Trumpy Bear who almost instantly undermined us... of course they're gonna wait for backing from the State Dept before making it a political incident. That's what "Opposition" leaders can do, speak without making it official policy!


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