[hwacker]

DerbyX wrote:

ridenrain wrote:

What a hassle...

First, I'm happy being an atheist,
Then we go see The Chronicles of Narnia, and I switch to christianity
Now I'll go see this and switch back.

It's a private school, isn't it?
If it is, they can choose what books they want.

Are you going to the other private religious schools and bitch at their choose in books?

Is this about the library list of private schools in general or just one christian school?

My main focus was the accusation about "promoting Atheism" as somehow wrong.

The idea that it is wrong must be fought tooth and nail.

go to a public school and preach your dribble.

[DerbyX]

I wonder if hwanker takes you (Ridenrain) to task for your Atheism as much as he did mine.

I'm assuming his posts here and abroad have been his usual pathetic snipes at me.

[Wada]

That's why I feel it is inappropriate to promote any ism. To me they are all equally unnecessary.

[hwacker]

DerbyX wrote:

I wonder if hwanker takes you (Ridenrain) to task for your Atheism as much as he did mine.

I'm assuming his posts here and abroad have been his usual pathetic snipes at me.

Nope I just pick on flag waving atheists like you.

[ridenrain]

DerbyX wrote:

ridenrain wrote:

Are you equal opportunity or is this just Christians.
I want to see you're letters promoting atheism to the muslim schools.

What muslim schools are you referring to and are there any in the GTA?

Since you claim to be an Atheist but are rarely involved in any of the threads concerning that subject I find your criticism unfounded.

I haven't once withered from promoting Atheism at any muslim posting any different then any religion.

I don't exactly see you as a staunch defender of Atheism.

From the Torontomuslims.com, there's about 43 schools and daycares in the toronto region.
Good luck with pushing that atheist bible there.

I don't quite understand.. are you calling for an organized church of atheitsts?
Perhaps a pack of us are going to go door to door and tell people what we don't believe in?
I don't think there's such a thing as a millitant atheist.
The whole idea of pushing a belief is sort of the opposite to what I believe atheism stands for.

I don't personally care what people want to believe as long as it promotes humanity and the rights, freedom and developement of the individual. In fact, there are lots of things about organized religions that I'd like most of society to pick up on. I don't support the blind faith that the "christian-right" is painted with, but I see the same from the sikh's and jews too.

I'm not stalking you but I do feel the need to jump in when I believe that the anti-christian right wing bias is being flaunted.

[DerbyX]

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From the Torontomuslims.com, there's about 43 schools and daycares in the toronto region.
Good luck with pushing that atheist bible there.

Atheists bible? A comment straight form a hard core right wing christian conservative.

Should any of those schools make the news for banning books they will get get the same treatment.

Now explain your "Atheists bible comment".

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I don't quite understand.. are you calling for an organized church of atheitsts?
Perhaps a pack of us are going to go door to door and tell people what we don't believe in?
I don't think there's such a thing as a millitant atheist.
The whole idea of pushing a belief is sort of the opposite to what I believe atheism stands for.

Good Darwin. Do you even understand english?

Attacking the belief that "promoting Atheism" isn't wrong doens't quite equate with the drivel you just posted.

You see how you are attacking my "Atheism" (despite being one yourself so you say) based entirely on our political differences.

Did I do that?

I thought so.

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I don't personally care what people want to believe as long as it promotes humanity and the rights, freedom and developement of the individual. In fact, there are lots of things about organized religions that I'd like most of society to pick up on. I don't support the blind faith that the "christian-right" is painted with, but I see the same from the sikh's and jews too.

No you don't. You say you do but you don't.

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I'm not stalking you but I do feel the need to jump in when I believe that the anti-christian right wing bias is being flaunted.

Really?

take a good look at my freshman post in the thread.

See what I attacked? See why you are wrong?

I thought so.

On yer bike god boy.

[ridenrain]

DerbyX wrote:

Quote:

From the Torontomuslims.com, there's about 43 schools and daycares in the toronto region.
Good luck with pushing that atheist bible there.

Atheists bible? A comment straight form a hard core right wing christian conservative.

Should any of those schools make the news for banning books they will get get the same treatment.

Now explain your "Atheists bible comment".

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I don't quite understand.. are you calling for an organized church of atheitsts?
Perhaps a pack of us are going to go door to door and tell people what we don't believe in?
I don't think there's such a thing as a millitant atheist.
The whole idea of pushing a belief is sort of the opposite to what I believe atheism stands for.

Good Darwin. Do you even understand english?

Attacking the belief that "promoting Atheism" isn't wrong doens't quite equate with the drivel you just posted.

You see how you are attacking my "Atheism" (despite being one yourself so you say) based entirely on our political differences.

Did I do that?

I thought so.

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I don't personally care what people want to believe as long as it promotes humanity and the rights, freedom and developement of the individual. In fact, there are lots of things about organized religions that I'd like most of society to pick up on. I don't support the blind faith that the "christian-right" is painted with, but I see the same from the sikh's and jews too.

No you don't. You say you do but you don't.

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I'm not stalking you but I do feel the need to jump in when I believe that the anti-christian right wing bias is being flaunted.

Really?

take a good look at my freshman post in the thread.

See what I attacked? See why you are wrong?

I thought so.

On yer bike god boy.

Great. Now I'm a religious zelot. Unbelieveable..

Atheists bible is sort of an ironic joke, but you chose not to get that.
I guess you don't get this http://www.atheistbible.net/ either.

I don't come leaping from the bushes to defend my belief because atheism is a personal belief, not a group activity. Again: The whole idea of pushing a belief is sort of the opposite to what I believe atheism stands for.

I won't even fixate on you're spelling mistake while you deride the english in my mockery of a belief you pretend to have. You haul this out as some sort of sword and shield whenever you take a run at dominant western religions.

Proof of that is you gloss right over the fact that this tirade you're on is only against a christian school. I posted a link to 43 muslim schools and I can find some jewish and protestant ones too.
Do you honestly consider that they wouldn't have similar pooinions to books like "the outsiders", "Black, like me" or "Lord of the flies"?

Either all schools are bad for not accepting the word of.. nobody, or none are.
Then again, these are private schools so what do you care, unless this is just a prop to slag American christians.

[DerbyX]

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Great. Now I'm a religious zelot. Unbelieveable..

I guess you didn't get the joke.

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Atheists bible is sort of an ironic joke, but you chose not to get that.
I guess you don't get this http://www.atheistbible.net/ either.

Nor in the context you said it considering you seemed to be accusing me of doing just that.

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I don't come leaping from the bushes to defend my belief because atheism is a personal belief, not a group activity. Again: The whole idea of pushing a belief is sort of the opposite to what I believe atheism stands for.

If only you applied that philosophy to political beliefs you might actually be a person.

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I won't even fixate on you're spelling mistake while you deride the english in my mockery of a belief you pretend to have. You haul this out as some sort of sword and shield whenever you take a run at dominant western religions.

Jebus I hope not. You get corrected enough without bringing mundane issues into it.

Ahh my celebrated anti-Christianity.

Prey tell how many anti-christian threads and posts have I made in the last 6 months?

hmmmmm. I thought so.

This doesn't even fit the bill.

Compare this to your hysterical anti-Liberalism.

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Proof of that is you gloss right over the fact that this tirade you're on is only against a christian school. I posted a link to 43 muslim schools and I can find some jewish and protestant ones too.

No you didn't. Fuck can you even read what you posted?

Ridenrain wrote:

From the Torontomuslims.com, there's about 43 schools and daycares in the toronto region.
Good luck with pushing that atheist bible there.

Ignoring the complete non particulars where the fuck is the proof they are banning said books?

Given that I posted:

DerbyX wrote:

Should any of those schools make the news for banning books they will get get the same treatment.

The onus is on you to provide evidence said schools are doing the same as those I attacked.

If they are then they will recieve the same attack. Hell we shouldn't even be allowing religious schools like that anyway.

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Either all schools are bad for not accepting the word of.. nobody, or none are.
Then again, these are private schools so what do you care, unless this is just a prop to slag American christians.

Once again where did I dispute this. As can be plainly read I said the opposite of what you accuse me of.

Its no wonder you got your ass kicked up and down the forum and went running from me in our last debate.

For shame fellow Atheist.

[ridenrain]

I don't understand how you can be so millitant and offensively outspoken in such a personal thing.

Without simply repeating my words, what does atheism mean to you? Why do you feel that you have some moral high ground to tell others what to believe in?
As an athiest, we reject the preaching of others, yet you feel you need to preach you're beliefs upon others. How do you figure that?

[DerbyX]

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I don't understand how you can be so millitant and offensively outspoken in such a personal thing.

Have you even read my words? can you read? (paraphrase of JK Rowling)

read what I objected too. read.

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Without simply repeating my words, what does atheism mean to you? Why do you feel that you have some moral high ground to tell others what to believe in?

Once again read. See what I objected too? Read.

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As an athiest, we reject the preaching of others, yet you feel you need to preach you're beliefs upon others. How do you figure that?

Fuck. You don't even understand your own professed belief.

Atheism means "I believe in no gods". Any actions I take to defend/promote that belief don't contradict it.

Would you prefer if I posted in phonetics?

[ridenrain]

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M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!

A: Yes it is!
M: Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.

You got nothing

[DerbyX]

ridenrain wrote:

Quote:

M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!

A: Yes it is!
M: Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.

You got nothing

You keep dodging and refusing to answer. You aren't even fooling you con brethern.

Your entire response is just your usual red herring and non-response.

DerbyX wrote:

Rolling Eyes Oh no. "Promoting Atheism" to children is wrong eh?

Of course promoting religion isn't?

Atheism has as much a right to be promoted as their religion.

That doesn't match any of your hysterical nonesense.

yet you never ever ever respond on point do you.



On yer bike and in this case yer bike is a whole fuckload of dishonestly and stupidity.

Wear your badge proudly.

[TheQuietKidd]

It's a Catholic school, why would they have books that contradict their belief system? If they want to ban it from their libraries, let 'em be.
I agree with RR when it comes to Atheism, and when you go on like this, you're just like the Roman Catholic Church, preaching is preaching, doesn't matter whether it's for or against a God.

If the parents want their child to grow up Catholic, Muslim or Pastafarian, let them, that isn't up to you.

[ShepherdsDog]

It's interesting that in Pullman's books, its the interpretation of organized religion that is challenged, not man's spiritual nature. It is clearly stated that humans have a soul, something that survives past corporeal death.
It is the concept of organized religion that is challenged. How religion came to be and what it will/would do to hold its grip on those who would seek to look deeper into why it came into being and challenge it.
This is not about atheism versus god, as some rabid whack jobs, on both sides of the divide, would have us believe, but a statement about the evils of blind faith. Blind faith in anything is inherently wrong.

[hurley_108]

ridenrain wrote:

What a hassle...

First, I'm happy being an atheist,
Then we go see The Chronicles of Narnia, and I switch to christianity
Now I'll go see this and switch back.

It's a private school, isn't it?
If it is, they can choose what books they want.

Are you going to the other private religious schools and bitch at their choose in books?

Is this about the library list of private schools in general or just one christian school?

It's censorship. As far as I'm concerned, the only things that should ever be withheld from minors are pornography and hate literature. Just because you don't like what someone says doesn't mean they're not allowed to say it, and it doesn't mean you're allowed to try and stop them from being heard.