[Newsbot]

Title: Senators approve anti-spanking bill
Category: Misc CDN
Posted By: snookums
Date: 2008-06-19 05:08:49
Canadian

[RUEZ]

I don't like this. I don't agree with hitting your kids like they did years ago. My sisters and I were raised like that. Sometimes though some kids need a good smack. If you can't spank and you can't discipline your child by grounding them what do you do? The young ones can't be put through the courts. We're going to end up with a bunch of delinquent children and no way to change them. The feds will have to start putting more money into foster care because I see a spike in children being put into the system.

[raydan]

I suggest that when our kids are misbehaving, we send them all to Céline Hervieux-Payette and let her deal with them for a while (can anyone here confirm if she has any kids of her own or not). If she doesn't do a good job, then we get to spank her.

I don't even know what she's doing there.
She was defeated in 3 elections before being named to the senate by Cretin (sorry that's Cretien, forgot an "e" there ). Nobody wanted her in parliament but I guess that Cretien owned her too many favors.
Now she wants to ram a bill down everyone's throat after the Supreme Court denied a challenge to Section 43.

I think that she's the kind of person that will do what she wants no matter what anyone thinks. Sounds like a spoiled brat to me.

[ridenrain]

More cradle to grave government brought to you by the tax & spend people.

[Mustang1]

Whoa, slow down, knee-jerk partisan people. The article specifically states, “The Senate mulled over the bill for more than three years, as the Canadian Bar Association and the Canadian Council of Criminal Defence Lawyers spoke out against it. In response to concerns, the bill was amended to allow parents and caregivers to use force in very specific situations — such as when a caregiver wants to immediately stop a child who is about to do something dangerous that could cause serious harm.”

Some of the alarmists here need to examine the proposed bill first BEFORE weighing in. It hasn’t become law nor has it survived a Charter challenge.

[hurley_108]

ridenrain wrote:

More cradle to grave government brought to you by the tax & spend people.

WTF? This isn't a "cradle to grave" or a "tax & spend" issue at all. It's a matter of criminal law, not social services and taxes. Call it bleeding heart. Call it loony left. Call it nanny state. If you're going to be moronically partisan, at least try to use the appropriate catch phrase.

[ridenrain]

Just like the Human Rights commissions, the devil is in the details and the way the laws are used.
Pardon my skepticism, but when I see crap like this it makes me doubt that the bureaucrats trust Canadian parents to take care of their own children.
One side wants to give parents more money and let them decide and the other says that parents will spend children's money on "beer & popcorn", but keeps promising national daycare.

[Freakinoldguy]

RUEZ wrote:

We're going to end up with a bunch of delinquent children and no way to change them.

And this would be different from now..................how?

Quote:

The feds will have to start putting more money into foster care because I see a spike in children being put into the system.

What better way to shape the young pliable minds of Canada's youth to follow the party doctrine. Typical socialist bullshit.

While I don't advocate the unecessary and brutish punishment of children, it's a proven fact that they need structure and discipline, both of which are lacking in society today.

God help Canada if that super zealot Ms.Céline Hervieux-Payette gets her wish and takes away the few parents rights that remain.

[C.M. Burns]

The courts will decide if you can spank your child.
The courts will decide if your child's punishment is fair.
The courts will decide
The courts will decide

I'm starting a website for kids to teach them all the ways they can fuck with their parents in court. I'm sure there'll be plenty of lawyers willing to advertise.
I'll be rich, rich, RICH!!!

Bummer... fuckyoumom.com is taken

[ridenrain]

I'm glad I won't see a Canada filled with, and run by wards of the state and foster kids.

[WDHIII]

OK I read the headline and saw who posted this and thought it was something COMPLETELY different

Carry on..........

[JovanW]

Mustang1, I've actually taken the time to read the bill:

[quote=S-209]1. Section 43 of the Criminal Code is repealed and replaced by the following:
43. (1) Every schoolteacher, parent or person standing in the place of a parent is justified in using reasonable force other than corporal punishment toward a child who is under their care if the force is used only for the purpose of
(a) preventing or minimizing harm to the child or another person;

(b) preventing the child from engaging or continuing to engage in conduct that is of a criminal nature; or

(c) preventing the child from engaging or continuing to engage in excessively offensive or disruptive behaviour.

Definition

(2) In subsection (1), "reasonable force" means an application of force that is transitory and minimal in the circumstances. [/quote]

Note that it specifically outlaws corporal punishment (spanking) and that it removes the words 'by way of correction' in the existing Section 43, so I guess all we can do is 'forcibly' hold the child in the three, rather limited, scenarios outlined in the bill.

[snookums]

WDHIII wrote:

OK I read the headline and saw who posted this and thought it was something COMPLETELY different

Carry on..........

Oh look, a Sens joke

[WDHIII]

snookums wrote:

WDHIII wrote:

OK I read the headline and saw who posted this and thought it was something COMPLETELY different

Carry on..........

Oh look, a Sens joke

Just seein if you were keepin tabs Snook

[TattoodGirl]

WDHIII wrote:

OK I read the headline and saw who posted this and thought it was something COMPLETELY different

Carry on..........

that deserves a spanking.... Oh wait cant do that anymore