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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:23 pm
 


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A just society would execute those who run a home like this.


Everyone disses China for it's communism, but some guy kills a few babies because of Melamine in the formula, and he's put to the head of the organ donations line.



china's got some fucked problems and its ideologicial underpinnings are so weird that it's hard to find any two communists with the same opinion on the situation. is it state capitalism thanks to deng, with xi being the latest revisionist capitalist roader to betray the revolution? or are the market reforms just some insane long game to develop china industrially before they liquidate their ~1000 billionares and force american capital to bend the knee? who knows

but most of us are super cool with corruption being a death sentence, that is a pretty nice feature


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:31 pm
 


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The advantage of our system over the system operating under the ideology preferred by PD (think China to North Korea) is you can complain about outrages such as the one described in the OP without having to worry about getting the 3 o'clock visit from the secret police.
lmfao wrong. there are still "knocks on the door", even in Canada. Y'all forget the bullshit that happened with the G20 and the Olympics? The preemptively arrested folks. They had a thousand people in a warehouse in Toronto. what a joke. Leftists are on lists. we can say what we want but it's definitely not in the interests of our health to do so. "suicide" for those leading protests. lmfao, so naive and safe.


Well first of all and in general Image

And if you 2 are honestly suggesting we replace our justice system with China's then Image

See because what happened here, where they locked that old lady in her bedbug infested room - that was horrible. But it was not a teaching moment for what's wrong with capitalism A replacement of North Korea, China, Venezuela style justice is just plain ridiculous. If you'd like to sell us on the idea that you have a better idea of the same thing only different, good luck with that one.

The idea it would be better to live in a place where they harvest your organs if they don't like you, like they do with Falun Gong is most likely just a pathetic attempt at diversion. It's definitely stupid and possibly retarded.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:37 pm
 


damn. you seem mad.

i didn't bring up china, or venezuala, or romania, or whatever. y'all did.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:45 pm
 


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damn. you seem mad.

i didn't bring up china, or venezuala, or romania, or whatever. y'all did.


If this story of what they did to that old lady doesn't make you mad there's something wrong with you. Not me, you.

If you tell me your point is not that there's something wrong with capitalism and the west - the implication being that the Communism you support is superior - I'll stop talking about Venezuela, North Korea and China.

I won't be holding my breath waiting for you to deny that obvious truth though.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:06 pm
 


i wonder if you understand at all that what i'm going on about morally here is incentives. i argue that capitalism incentivizes such behaviour, as long as it doesn't hit the media of course. those incentives will cause the incidents to continue to occur as long as people's lives depend on these profiteers. as soon as this story blows over, it will happen again and again in some form or another.

"communism" is a lot more than "china", just as capitalism is a lot more than "america". the things that cause tragedy in capitalism are part of the theory, they are incentivized: the strong over the weak, and profit at any cost. brutal naked self-interest touted as the salvation of mankind. prageru and tpusa and other members of the intellectual dork web will remind you of this. that is the ideology of capitalism. it leads to innovation and progress.

the problem with communism is those who don't actually follow the ideology, and instead betray it for their own self-interest. the problem with capitalism is those who do follow the ideology.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:02 pm
 


And I say again any system will be abused. Some worse than other.

All blather aside and keeping it simple, "Know the tree by the fruit it bears."

Commie fruit is rancid at a whole new level of stinking rot.

As horrible as what happened to the poor old lady in Chilliwack was it could have been worse. She could be in North Korea.


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The two extremes discussing how their philosophy, and only their philosophy, is the true saviour of the world remains hilarious. Even more so when the argument happens while standing in the shadows of the huge piles of corpses that have created all around the world by these two fringes.

Here's a different viewpoint, one that's actually original and isn't based on the pseudo-intellectual ramblings of some 18th and 19th century dilettantes who never had dirt under their fingernails a single day in their lives, and who never even once ever suffered the actual real-world consequences from when their ideology had "won". There is no saviour for the human race. That's because in their hearts humans don't want to be saved, and will always get down on all fours en masse for those who either scare them badly enough into compliance or for those that give the biggest rewards to a willing servant.

There is no future in the past. Especially not in a past as murderous and inhumane as the last two and a half centuries have been.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:35 pm
 


listen man, what do you want other than your oil job to remain?

fuck the rest, isn't that basically it? the gays could be in cages and alberta-saskatchewan could build an ethnostate, who cares as long as that oil flows and that job remains

other than just dismally staying-the-course (so, fiddle's stance), what's your big idea?

hopeless dysphoria is totally fine my dude. but what do you WANT

i'll give ya credit where it's due. you're the most appropriate individual to be a voter for one of the big parties. incremental nothingness. inspiring


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I want nothing for myself anymore. Except maybe for a painless ending. I've walked away from the fight simply because there's nothing left worth fighting for. My life is essentially over but my punishment is to be forced to endure this shit for another twenty years or so until I'm granted the only real escape there is from this lifelong sentence in this miserable prison of a world.

No matter where we are we're all damned. It might be coming sooner for places like AB & SK but it's inevitable for everywhere else eventually. There is no place left to flee to. No new frontiers to see. No where left to pull the ground over your head to escape from the monumental assholes and their scumbag catamites that just won't leave you alone. Everywhere rottenness is in ascension now, everywhere Team Fuck You is running another victory lap.

Tell you one thing though, and I really don't care if you like it or not. Your revolution is a failure, and it failed the moment a person who didn't deserve it got walked up the steps to the guillotine blade for the entertainment of the jeering crowds. Now, tell me how different you are in your heart from those on the capitalist side who don't care at all about how many lose as long as they get to win. "Gotta break a few eggs" is an abomination no matter the side of the individual who tut-tuts the suffering of others as long as "the plan" moves forward another miserable inch.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:10 pm
 


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I want nothing for myself anymore. Except maybe for a painless ending. I've walked away from the fight simply because there's nothing left worth fighting for. My life is essentially over but my punishment is to be forced to endure this shit for another twenty years or so until I'm granted the only real escape there is from this lifelong sentence in this miserable prison of a world.
Cool. I don't actually want to die yet, so I apologize, but I still have thoughts on this whole circus and am not ready to just give up the ghost.

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No matter where we are we're all damned. It might be coming sooner for places like AB & SK but it's inevitable for everywhere else eventually. There is no place left to flee to. No new frontiers to see. No where left to pull the ground over your head to escape from the monumental assholes and their scumbag catamites that just won't leave you alone. Everywhere rottenness is in ascension now, everywhere Team Fuck You is running another victory lap.
"Do nothing and die anyway." Very palatable.

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Tell you one thing though, and I really don't care if you like it or not. Your revolution is a failure, and it failed the moment a person who didn't deserve it got walked up the steps to the guillotine blade for the entertainment of the jeering crowds. Now, tell me how different you are in your heart from those on the capitalist side who don't care at all about how many lose as long as they get to win. "Gotta break a few eggs" is an abomination no matter the side of the individual who tut-tuts the suffering of others as long as "the plan" moves forward another miserable inch.
People fucking die dude. People die now, people died yesterday, people will die tomorrow. It is almost always the wrong people dying or hurt. Again, I can't imagine anything involving humans to be *perfect*. I'm about incentives. I want there to be less incentive to hurt the wrong people. I, nor anyone, could ever guarantee that the wrong people won't get hurt. Shit happens. I just want there to be less of the wrong people hurt.

Let's shake the absurd notion that eggs aren't being broken right now. They are.,and they're almost always the wrong fucking eggs. In fact... We never see the right ones broken. There's no incentive to punish the plutocrats for their crimes. Only we suffer. Only we are broken.

For the guy who cheers every fucking cop who murders a black kid as just putting down another hopeless thug, forgive me if I don't think you give a fuck about broken eggs at all. You just don't want your job gone. And I get that. But the rest of us want other shit.

And I really, really need y'all to drop this ridiculous idea that simply abstaining from taking a side is a choice anyone can make. A side is taken regardless. the elephant and the mouse. The ignorant can be forgiven, but those who are politically conscious should know better than to delude themselves with the self-stroking belief that they're superior to all these political tryhards having a struggle session over the shit we live in.

I believe in the collapse and all that, but I see no point in letting it consume me to the point where I just stop wanting life to be better, like some fucking stockholm victim. But that's you, I can't tell you what to do.

Blood is to be had no matter where you turn.
There is no abstaining.

Who's blood should it be?

The default is yours.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:19 pm
 




So you tell me that your last good dollar is gone
And you say that your pockets are bare
And you tell me that your clothes are tattered and torn
And nobody seems to care

Now don't tell me your troubles
No, I don't have the time to spare
But if you want to get together and fight
Good buddy, that's what I want to hear!

And you tell me that your job was taken away
By a big ol' greasy machine
And you tell me that you don't collect no more pay
And your belly is growing lean

Now if I had the jobs to give
You know I'd give them all away
But don't waste your breath calling out my name
If you don't have nothing to say!

And you tell me that you don't have nothing to do
And you keep on wasting your time
And you say when you want to get your family some food
You gotta stand in a relief line

Now it's a sin and a bloody shame
'Bout the way they're pushing you 'round
But when you decide not to take no more
You know I'll put my money down

'Cause I've seen your kind many times before
And I'll see 'em many times again
Oh, but every bad thing that's happened to you
Has happened to better men!

So don't explain that you've lost your way
That you've got no place to go
You've got a hand and a voice and you're not alone
Brother that's all you need to know

And if you're still wondering what I'm trying to say
Let me tell you what it's all about
Now nobody listens to a single man
When he's walkin' 'round down and out

So if you're looking for an answer
He's standing there by your side
And you'll never really know how far you'll go
'Til you join together and try!

So you tell me that your last good dollar is gone
And you say that your pockets are bare
And you tell me that your clothes are tattered and torn
And nobody seems to care

Now don't tell me your troubles
No, I don't have the time to spare
But if you want to get together and fight
Good buddy, that's what I want to hear!


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:10 pm
 


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do you not understand how precarious most canadians' lives are? y'all are exceptions with your hundred k a year salaries and whimsical travels all over hells half acre. most of the folks in this country can't get across the other side of the province without fucking their lives up.



It is about choices. You beleive if you are working for minimum wage it is hopeless. How about a real life example of the 'hopeless' doing OK. Not rich, but comfortable.

A woman started working at A&W when she left high school. At 44 she is still working at A&W. What has happened in between? Well she had 2 kids and is a single mom. She owns her own home and has $250,000 in savings. If she doesn't save another dime she will have $1,000,000 at 65. HARD FACT.

Nobody left her any money she did it all on her own. How? Simple. She started saving $10 per month. Everytime she got a raise she put 20% of the raise to savings. When she reached 10% of her gross income going to savings she kept it up. She scrimped and made do with what she could afford, but saving was a priority. Not parties, not going out and paying for babysitters. Not spending her hard earned money of drugs, booze or a 'good time'.

You can whine about how hard life is or you can make a decision to make life better. How much are you willing to sacrifice to be comfortable in your old age? Or is your answer to have society foot the bill for you because your are not willing to make the effort to take care of yourself.

You can say your situation is different and you do not have a high paying job like A&W. Or you can stop making excuses and start working toward having a better life than you do now.

It may seem harsh, but so is life. I haven't seen anyone posting here that was born with a silver spoon in their mouth. They have all worked to get where they are today. Some may have had some good fortune along the way amd be in the right place at the right time. The truth is good fortune happens to people who work hard and periodically get recognized for it.

Communism may seem like Utopia to you, but that is because you have not been to a communist country to see what peoples lives are really like. How many senior citizens in Canada have to make the own broom out of a stick and twigs to sweep the side of the highway for a dollar a day just to be able to eat? That is reality in a major communist country. They do not get a relzxed life in a seniors lodge. Don't believe me? Then you will need to travel to see what is real instead of reading propoganda.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:32 pm
 


lol holy shit man, my eyes couldn't be rolling harder. they call me utopian, yet you come out with pipedream shit like "just keep the same job for thirty years, and get raises"

listen boomer, there's plenty out there without vices not getting shit all out of this system. of all the things to begroan, folks at the bottom abusing drugs to numb their alienated dreary bullshit lives of servitude and back pain really isn't on my radar, other than that i'd rather they not feel the need.

no one should be rich if anyone must be poor. and there must be poor in this system. there must be losers. you must use up those losers, and kill them. and there's a lot of losers.

i don't feel like saying fuck you to the majority of humanity like that.
just a moral thing i guess


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:51 am
 


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And I really, really need y'all to drop this ridiculous idea that simply abstaining from taking a side is a choice anyone can make. A side is taken regardless. the elephant and the mouse. The ignorant can be forgiven, but those who are politically conscious should know better than to delude themselves with the self-stroking belief that they're superior to all these political tryhards having a struggle session over the shit we live in.


Isn't this basically what we were telling you when you decided voting was for chumps?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:01 pm
 


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And I really, really need y'all to drop this ridiculous idea that simply abstaining from taking a side is a choice anyone can make. A side is taken regardless. the elephant and the mouse. The ignorant can be forgiven, but those who are politically conscious should know better than to delude themselves with the self-stroking belief that they're superior to all these political tryhards having a struggle session over the shit we live in.


Isn't this basically what we were telling you when you decided voting was for chumps?
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let's say you want child trafficking to end... would you vote for one of five pedophiles just because those were your only options? that's my position. oh oh, one is offering child care, another is offering tax breaks for frequent flyers, and one is offering subsidies for businesses to produce green vegan solar-powered brothels! such variety!

it's a bit different to "general discussion" type politics, where the overton window doesn't exactly exist, where there actually is a variety of views, where my beliefs are actually represented.

unlike voting, general politics doesn't bind your views to five liberal groups of capitalists. people forget that the issue with the elections is representation; ie: you have none if you make under 100k a year. but in "real life", what representatives are needed in general politics other than our own selves? thankfully i don't have to endorse jeff bezos just to post an opinion or argue about shit, but with voting that is exactly all that gets done.

it's different. and frankly, agitating and propagandizing actually feels like doing something, as opposed to a once-every-five-year pledge of allegiance to the all-encompassing monolithic omnipotence of capital.

edit: general politics is a vast ocean, in which voting is a small isle. not voting isn't abstaining from politics.


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