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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:22 am
 


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The USMCA extends patents in Canada for American drug companies.

Just thought I'd throw that into the mix.

USMCA is not yet law. In fact, it may never be.


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DrCaleb wrote:
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So, free market capitalism isn't working for you? Socialism is fine, so long as it provides you lower cost products of equal quality?

Sorry Bernie Donald. Fix your own problems first, don't come here making trouble for us.
Donald? Uh yeah. Bernie is one of the Americans coming here for cheap drugs. Of course it's cute how once again Trump gets shit on for something Obama did.


It is literally the second paragraph.

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On Wednesday, U.S. President Donald Trump's administration said it would create a system to allow Americans to import cheaper Canadian drugs legally.


I see your record of not reading the article remains untarnished. ;)
No, I'm pointing out that when it went the other way for actual heart care, the Rae administration had to create a system whereby Detroit hospitals would take OHIP payments for medical care that the Rae govt simply couldn't or wouldn't provide. That was perfectly fine apparently but Trump wanting to get cheaper drugs for Americans from Canada is somehow beyond the pale.
And uh, by the way. Part of the agreement was that the hospitals would only charge the amount that OHIP would bill if the care was provided in Ontario. In other words, OHIP paid less for Canadians getting chronic heart care from Detroit hospitals than Americans did. Oh, and that agreement was ONLY brought forward by the Rae govt after 4 people in Windsor died in one year due to a lack of chronic heart care. One of them being an 8 yr old boy.

So to sum up, Canadian politicians creating some sort of system for Canadians to get heart care in the US is NOT a case of passing the buck and refusing to fix the problem. But US politicians creating some sort of system so Americans can get access to cheaper drugs in Canada is just bullshit. Is that the take away here?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:23 am
 


PublicAnimalNo9 wrote:
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Donald? Uh yeah. Bernie is one of the Americans coming here for cheap drugs. Of course it's cute how once again Trump gets shit on for something Obama did.


It is literally the second paragraph.

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On Wednesday, U.S. President Donald Trump's administration said it would create a system to allow Americans to import cheaper Canadian drugs legally.


I see your record of not reading the article remains untarnished. ;)
No, I'm pointing out that when it went the other way for actual heart care, the Rae administration had to create a system whereby Detroit hospitals would take OHIP payments for medical care that the Rae govt simply couldn't or wouldn't provide. That was perfectly fine apparently but Trump wanting to get cheaper drugs for Americans from Canada is somehow beyond the pale.
And uh, by the way. Part of the agreement was that the hospitals would only charge the amount that OHIP would bill if the care was provided in Ontario. In other words, OHIP paid less for Canadians getting chronic heart care from Detroit hospitals than Americans did. Oh, and that agreement was ONLY brought forward by the Rae govt after 4 people in Windsor died in one year due to a lack of chronic heart care. One of them being an 8 yr old boy.

So to sum up, Canadian politicians creating some sort of system for Canadians to get heart care in the US is NOT a case of passing the buck and refusing to fix the problem. But US politicians creating some sort of system so Americans can get access to cheaper drugs in Canada is just bullshit. Is that the take away here?


So, it's not a wise thing to pay for services not offered in Canada if they are offered elsewhere; but for Americans to come to Canada and pay cheaper rates for things that are offered in the US (by potentially the exact same multinational companies) at the cost of our own supply of lifesaving medication is Bob Rae's fault? [huh]

I fail to see the connection between the Americans using our system of drug pricing to their advantage, and Canadians paying a negotiated fair price for services not offered in Canada due to our smaller population.


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DrCaleb wrote:

So, it's not a wise thing to pay for services not offered in Canada if they are offered elsewhere;

I'm gonna stop you right there. The services ARE and WERE offered in Ontario. Here was the problem. The people of southwestern Ontario were promised that those who needed chronic heart care would be able to go to London. When London filled up, they were told no problem, they can go to Toronto. Then Toronto filled up. Meanwhile, Windsor had 4 goddam hospitals and no chronic heart care. So Ontario most definitely had chronic heart care facilities at the time. It's not a case of the services simply not existing, it was a case of the govt not giving a shit. Windsor isn't part of the Ottawa-London corridor so as usual it got ignored by the govt until they couldn't ignore it anymore. And even then their only solution was to pass the buck. Thankfully, the Detroit hospitals who agreed to help out didn't mind that the buck was a Canadian dollar.


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PublicAnimalNo9 wrote:
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So, it's not a wise thing to pay for services not offered in Canada if they are offered elsewhere;

I'm gonna stop you right there. The services ARE and WERE offered in Ontario. Here was the problem. The people of southwestern Ontario were promised that those who needed chronic heart care would be able to go to London. When London filled up, they were told no problem, they can go to Toronto. Then Toronto filled up. Meanwhile, Windsor had 4 goddam hospitals and no chronic heart care. So Ontario most definitely had chronic heart care facilities at the time. It's not a case of the services simply not existing, it was a case of the govt not giving a shit. Windsor isn't part of the Ottawa-London corridor so as usual it got ignored by the govt until they couldn't ignore it anymore. And even then their only solution was to pass the buck. Thankfully, the Detroit hospitals who agreed to help out didn't mind that the buck was a Canadian dollar.


Like I wrote, the service - if full - is not offered. If we don't have the capacity at specialists for our own patients, then we have to look elsewhere.

You can't just advertise for new heart specialists, and have them in a couple months. If there is a shortage, it takes about 12 years of training to get new specialists.

If they are available the other side of the bridge, but in another country, is it not a prudent idea to pay to have Canadian patients seen by US specialists to reduce the burden on our few specialists?

And I still don't see how it relates to drug prices south of the border, when both drugs are available in both countries and from the same companies. Just at different prices.


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