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PostPosted: Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:02 pm
 


What actually counts as "pissing it away" anyway? Spending on the same basic programs and infrastructure as the other provinces do in order to make the place worth living in? Albertans spending extra money on alleged luxury items, lots of which are made in other provinces (which means we do more than our fair share of both creating new jobs and sustaining existing ones in the central Canada manufacturing sector), that circulate more money into both the basic market and into the sales tax system? An inability to save on both the personal and provincial levels simply because too much is annually taken from us in the form of federal income taxes that get turned into more transfer payments to Quebec?

So if we spend and do our part in the overall cycle and build a livable society, and at the same time buy items en masse that keeps the economy in other parts of the country in a healthy state, we're wasteful and deserve what happens to us for not saving. If we save we're a bunch of cheapskates that don't care about the poor, the elderly, the kids, the sick, etc, etc, etc. So we're classically doomed no matter what we do. Is there ever going to be a time in anyone's lifetime when these goddamn slurs against us come to an end? "Piss it away"? How about we piss in the mouths of the goddamn sneering, black-hearted Laurentians who've finally killed us the next time they say shit like that about us? :evil:


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For what it's worth, given that it's only 50/50 that he's telling the truth at any given time, Jason Kenney said that the information he has was that Teck made the final decision because the federal cabinet was going to kick the deadline for approval down the road by another six months to a full year. If that's true then there was no way Teck was, or could, wait any longer because obviously they were wasting their time trying to get through to the feds. Halting a project by constantly changing the criteria for acceptance or endlessly delaying approval is no different than rejecting it outright. It's a totally chickenshit way to do it but that's to be expected from a gutless government run by a pathetic pajama-boy like Li'l Potato.

So the investors aren't investing because (a) no carbon framework in place, and (b) the Liberal regulatory & approval procedure is deliberately stymieing new opportunities. Six of one, half dozen of the other. Either way both Alberta and the industry are fucked, and apparently permanently while Trudeau's mob of virtue-signallers control this country. If the bulk of the Canadian oil & gas industry was geographically located in Quebec and Ontario this wouldn't be happening at all. And anyone who says otherwise doesn't care, or thinks it's funny, or has absolutely no idea at all how this country is run, who runs it, and who it's run for.


In a nutshell that is where Canada is at under this regime. Morons all.


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Canada is presently in the throes of social and political disintegration. A left-leaning electorate has once again empowered a socialist government promoting all the lunatic ideological shibboleths of the day: global warming or “climate change,” radical feminism, indigenous sovereignty, expansionary government, environmental strangulation of energy production, and the presumed efficiency of totalitarian legislation. Industry and manufacturing are abandoning the country in droves and heading south.



More horseshit...

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/c ... y-walking/


Fixed your typo.


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I agree, what a steaming load of shit. But there are fools that will buy it.


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Canada is presently in the throes of social and political disintegration. A left-leaning electorate has once again empowered a socialist government promoting all the lunatic ideological shibboleths of the day: global warming or “climate change,” radical feminism, indigenous sovereignty, expansionary government, environmental strangulation of energy production, and the presumed efficiency of totalitarian legislation. Industry and manufacturing are abandoning the country in droves and heading south.



More horseshit...

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/c ... y-walking/


Fixed your typo.


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What actually counts as "pissing it away" anyway? Spending on the same basic programs and infrastructure as the other provinces do in order to make the place worth living in? Albertans spending extra money on alleged luxury items, lots of which are made in other provinces (which means we do more than our fair share of both creating new jobs and sustaining existing ones in the central Canada manufacturing sector), that circulate more money into both the basic market and into the sales tax system? An inability to save on both the personal and provincial levels simply because too much is annually taken from us in the form of federal income taxes that get turned into more transfer payments to Quebec?

So if we spend and do our part in the overall cycle and build a livable society, and at the same time buy items en masse that keeps the economy in other parts of the country in a healthy state, we're wasteful and deserve what happens to us for not saving. If we save we're a bunch of cheapskates that don't care about the poor, the elderly, the kids, the sick, etc, etc, etc. So we're classically doomed no matter what we do. Is there ever going to be a time in anyone's lifetime when these goddamn slurs against us come to an end? "Piss it away"? How about we piss in the mouths of the goddamn sneering, black-hearted Laurentians who've finally killed us the next time they say shit like that about us? :evil:


By "pissing it away", I mean using to pay our day to day expenses while keeping taxes artificially low proportionate to the amount of spending we were doing. Other provinces have had to make tough choices about what they were willing to tax and spend, but we got away with being able to have what Bootlegga called "champagne spending and beer taxes". And then there's Ralph Klein pissing away so much money in "Ralphbucks" when we could have saved that money. The mentality at the time always seems to be that the current boom will last forever, so why think about what happens when the boom goes bust, as it inevitably does? Peter Lougheed knew that, but for the most part his successors didn't have that same vision. Say what you will about Rachel Notley, but at least she tried to make us less reliant on the ups and downs of oil prices for so much of our government revenue with her tax changes. Even after she raised taxes (and cut them for small businesses), we were still the lowest-tax jurisdiction in the country.

That's what I mean by pissing it away. I'm not judging people who spent on luxury items which, as you correctly point out, help manufacturing in other parts of Canada.

Just for the record, I'm all for revising equalization (the current formula for which was developed by the Harper government)...

...and fuck everyone who derides us as greedy, self-centered wannabe-Americans who only care about ourselves and go out of our way to rape the environment for shits and giggles. We pull our damn weight in Confederation, not just through equalization but also through all the money that workers who come here from other parts of Canada remit to their home provinces. Yes, we have our arrogant assholes, but it's not like there's a shortage of assholes in other parts of the country too!


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...and fuck everyone who derides us as greedy, self-centered wannabe-Americans who only care about ourselves and go out of our way to rape the environment for shits and giggles. We pull our damn weight in Confederation, not just through equalization but also through all the money that workers who come here from other parts of Canada remit to their home provinces. Yes, we have our arrogant assholes, but it's not like there's a shortage of assholes in other parts of the country too!


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The one fun thing from the last election was the explosion of outrage from Maritimers working in Alberta who completely lost it on their brothers and sisters back home for voting Liberal en masse, and effectively giving the entire country over to Trudeau again within the space of the first hour of ballots being counted. I talked to a couple of them I worked with in the better days and they were fucking pissed about it. They said all the Liberals have to do is start lying again about the "massive cuts" the Tories would bring in if they got elected and it's always sufficient enough to drive the voters out there into the arms of the Liberals. They too repeatedly see absolutely no benefit at all from voting for the likes of Chretien or Trudeau. But they're almost identical to the working-class and rural GOP voters in the US - their lives have quite literally been destroyed by the anarcho-capitalists in the Republican Party (including Trump) but they've been so thoroughly indoctrinated that the other side will annihilate them (through gay marriage and legal abortion apparently) that they always stick by the ones causing them the most harm.

And yet we always get the sneering "why don't Albertans stop voting Conservative" from those elsewhere who keep voting Liberal through thick-and-thin. Or, if they're in a mood for a change, go and vote for an increasingly radical and demented federal NDP. I guess it's in the Canadian character to be completely blind to their other fingers pointing back at themselves while they're exuberantly point one in our faces. Yeah, right. :roll:


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 29, 2020 8:47 pm
 


You guys realize, I hope, that that shit (tar sands oil) will still be there in 50, 100, 150 years. Work on it, better means of mining, separating, refining and less harmful end products may be useful in the future.


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And yet we always get the sneering "why don't Albertans stop voting Conservative" from those elsewhere who keep voting Liberal through thick-and-thin. Or, if they're in a mood for a change, go and vote for an increasingly radical and demented federal NDP. I guess it's in the Canadian character to be completely blind to their other fingers pointing back at themselves while they're exuberantly point one in our faces. Yeah, right. :roll:

Canadians and particularly those that live in the Windsor/Montreal corridor have always had a distorted view of Canada's place in the world. The Laurentians as represented by the Liberal Party operated under the belief that world's nations look to Canada as that shining city on the hill and that opinion has remained static for the better part of five decades. Canada's current commitment to peacekeeping and the current government's pursuit of a temporary (and ultimately powerless) seat at the United Nations Security Council are demonstrations of the Liberal Party's longing for the past. Unfortunately for them, the world has changed while they have not and Canada will continue its slow fade into irrelevance while the more canny world players will take advantage of the Toronto/Montreal/Vancouver axis' intellectual feebleness.

"Why don't Albertans stop voting Conservative?" I say it is because the Liberal Party represents an archaic why of thinking that serves no purpose.


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Oh you must be a New Democrat, eh?


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FieryVulpine wrote:
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And yet we always get the sneering "why don't Albertans stop voting Conservative" from those elsewhere who keep voting Liberal through thick-and-thin. Or, if they're in a mood for a change, go and vote for an increasingly radical and demented federal NDP. I guess it's in the Canadian character to be completely blind to their other fingers pointing back at themselves while they're exuberantly point one in our faces. Yeah, right. :roll:

Canadians and particularly those that live in the Windsor/Montreal corridor have always had a distorted view of Canada's place in the world. The Laurentians as represented by the Liberal Party operated under the belief that world's nations look to Canada as that shining city on the hill and that opinion has remained static for the better part of five decades. Canada's current commitment to peacekeeping and the current government's pursuit of a temporary (and ultimately powerless) seat at the United Nations Security Council are demonstrations of the Liberal Party's longing for the past. Unfortunately for them, the world has changed while they have not and Canada will continue its slow fade into irrelevance while the more canny world players will take advantage of the Toronto/Montreal/Vancouver axis' intellectual feebleness.

"Why don't Albertans stop voting Conservative?" I say it is because the Liberal Party represents an archaic why of thinking that serves no purpose.


So the liberals are not progressives trying to break from past and bring in “radical” change from established traditions, but rather they are conservatives trying to live in the past who refuse to change with the rest of the world? That sounds like the opposite of reality.

Also Canadians and liberals have never historically seen themselves as a “shining city on a hill” nor has anyone on the global stage. Up until the era of the Trudeau-Trump dichotomy or maybe the Bush Jr years depending on how you count it, Canadians themselves as well as people around the world have historically viewed Canada as little more than a quaint, uninteresting and irrelevant suburb of the US. Before that we were little more than an extension of Britain in the eyes of most including those of Canadians themselves. It’s true the Trudeau govt is trying to raise Canada’s profile and influence on the world stage rather than simply curry favour with the US, but if successful this would be a first for Canada not reviving the past.


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Oh Jeez you're being easy on them. Just saw another one of those "in our days" posts on FB. You know where they forgot about the 2 kids in your 45 kid class with crutches from polio, being home for 2 weeks sick with measles, mumps, tonsilitis, etc. Running home from school with air raid sirens blaring, how many classmates no longer with us because of no seatbelts... and oblivious to the fact the bushes, swamp, trails they played in are np longer there, the parks are walled gardens you can't play with your dog in because it's all fucking concrete and million dollar homes from the ocean to Hope.
Nah they'd rather bitch that the gov't "forced" restaurants to have vegetarian, vegan, gluten free items on the menu because they aren't celiac themselves and making revenue from 'those people' is discrimination against meat-eating white Christian males. Or bitch that its the 'boomers fault' when they freely bitch about natives not adapting when they won't move somewhere else themselves.
It takes a total lack of imagination, ignorance to fact and history and a particularly narrow and selective viewpoint to get so stuck in that dogma.


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All of which no one has said here in any of the threads about the destruction of Alberta. Yes, wanting Teck to have been built absolutely equals "let's get rid of public health care and education altogether!". In the heart of anyone who ever worked a day in the patch there's a merciless American-wannabe Randroid wanting to escape and turn all the poor parasite people into dog food.

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And BTW there's more heavy fuel-consumption vehicle (aka pickups and SUVs) being sold per capita these days in southern Ontario and Quebec than there is in the West. Kind of irresponsible for them to be spending their money on luxuries, eh, instead of saving for a rainy day, 'nomesayin'. Guess they'll have to lose it all before they learn.


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And BTW there's more heavy fuel-consumption vehicle (aka pickups and SUVs) being sold per capita these days in southern Ontario and Quebec than there is in the West. Kind of irresponsible for them to be spending their money on luxuries, eh, instead of saving for a rainy day, 'nomesayin'. Guess they'll have to lose it all before they learn.

A very interesting observation as Canadians hold the highest consumer debt of all G7 nations. It is also imperative to look at Ontario who holds the highest sub-sovereign debt at three times the debt of California (the most indebted state in the Union) with only a third of the population. Then there is are the massive deficits from Trudeau's spending sprees at are going to make his old man look like Ebenezer Scrooge. Don't expect a new Paul Martin to rise for Austerity 2.0: Slash Harder. I imagine Thanos and some of the older members to have a few words about the 1990s as I was in grade school back then and was paying more attention to Power Rangers than federal budgets.

Canadians in the central portion of the nation love to live high on the hog, but all bills come due some day and I suspect the non-Alberta parts of this country are one recession away from losing everything and it will be glorious to witness.


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