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By Susan MacAllen
In 1978-9 I was living and studying in Denmark. An elderly woman to whom I was close said something to me one day that puzzled me for many years after. I forget what the context of our conversation was, but she commented that I - as a young American in Denmark - should not let any Dane scold me about the way America had treated its black population, because the Danes in her view treated their immigrants at least as badly. I wasn’t sure which immigrants she meant, so I asked her. She answered that she meant those from the Middle East.

But in 1978 - even in Copenhagen, one didn’t see these Muslim immigrants. The Danish population embraced visitors, celebrated the exotic, went out of its way to protect each of its citizens. It was proud of its new brand of socialist liberalism - one in development since the conservatives had lost power in 1929 - a system where no worker had to struggle to survive, where one ultimately could count upon the state as in, perhaps, no other western nation at the time. The rest of Europe saw the Scandinavians as free-thinking, progressive and infinitely generous in their welfare policies. Denmark boasted low crime rates, devotion to the environment, a superior educational system and a history of humanitarianism.

Denmark was also most generous in its immigration policies - it offered the best welcome in Europe to the new immigrant: generous welfare payments from first arrival plus additional perks in transportation, housing and education. It was determined to set a world example for inclusiveness and multiculturalism. How could it have predicted that one day in 2005 a series of political cartoons in a newspaper would spark violence that would leave dozens dead in the streets - all because its commitment to multiculturalism would come back to bite?

By the 1990’s the growing urban Muslim population was obvious - and its unwillingness to integrate into Danish society was obvious. Years of immigrants had settled into Muslim-exclusive enclaves. As the Muslim leadership became more vocal about what they considered the decadence of Denmark’s liberal way of life, the Danes - once so welcoming - began to feel slighted. Many Danes had begun to see Islam as incompatible with their long-standing values: belief in personal liberty and free speech, in equality for women, in tolerance for other ethnic groups, and a deep pride in Danish heritage and history.

The New York Post in 2002 ran an article by Daniel Pipes and Lars Hedegaard, in which they forecasted accurately that the growing immigrant problem in Denmark would explode. In the article they reported:

“Muslim immigrants…constitute 5 percent of the population but consume upwards of 40 percent of the welfare spending.”

“Muslims are only 4 percent of Denmark’s 5.4 million people but make up a majority of the country’s convicted rapists, an especially combustible issue given that practically all the female victims are non-Muslim. Similar, if lesser, disproportions are found in other crimes.”

“Over time, as Muslim immigrants increase in numbers, they wish less to mix with the indigenous population. A recent survey finds that only 5 percent of young Muslim immigrants would readily marry a Dane.”

“Forced marriages - promising a newborn daughter in Denmark to a male cousin in the home country, then compelling her to marry him, sometimes on pain of death - are one problem…”

“Muslim leaders openly declare their goal of introducing Islamic law once Denmark’s Muslim population grows large enough - a not-that-remote prospect. If present trends persist, one sociologist estimates, every third inhabitant of Denmark in 40 years will be Muslim.”

It is easy to understand why a growing number of Danes would feel that Muslim immigrants show little respect for Danish values and laws. An example is the phenomenon common to other European countries and the U.S.: some Muslims in Denmark who opted to leave the Muslim faith have been murdered in the name of Islam, while others hide in fear for their lives. Jews are also threatened and harassed openly by Muslim leaders in Denmark, a country where once Christian citizens worked to smuggle out nearly all of their 7,000 Jews by night to Sweden - before the Nazis could invade. I think of my Danish friend Elsa - who as a teenager had dreaded crossing the street to the bakery every morning under the eyes of occupying Nazi soldiers - and I wonder what she would say today.

In 2001, Denmark elected the most conservative government in some 70 years - one that had some decidedly non-generous ideas about liberal unfettered immigration. Today Denmark has the strictest immigration policies in Europe. ( Its effort to protect itself has been met with accusations of “racism” by liberal media across Europe - even as other governments struggle to right the social problems wrought by years of too-lax immigration.) If you wish to become Danish, you must attend three years of language classes. You must pass a test on Denmark’s history, culture, and a Danish language test. You must live in Denmark for 7 years before applying for citizenship. You must demonstrate an intent to work, and have a job waiting. If you wish to bring a spouse into Denmark, you must both be over 24 years of age, and you won’t find it so easy anymore to move your friends and family to Denmark with you. You will not be allowed to build a mosque in Copenhagen. Although your children have a choice of some 30 Arabic culture and language schools in Denmark, they will be strongly encouraged to assimilate to Danish society in ways that past immigrants weren’t.

In 2006, the Danish minister for employment, Claus Hjort Frederiksen, spoke publicly of the burden of Muslim immigrants on the Danish welfare system, and it was horrifying: the government’s welfare committee had calculated that if immigration from Third World countries were blocked, 75 percent of the cuts needed to sustain the huge welfare system in coming decades would be unnecessary. In other words, the welfare system as it existed was being exploited by immigrants to the point of eventually bankrupting the government. “We are simply forced to adopt a new policy on immigration. The calculations of the welfare committee are terrifying and show how unsuccessful the integration of immigrants has been up to now,” he said.

A large thorn in the side of Denmark’s imams is the Minister of Immigration and Integration, Rikke Hvilshoj. She makes no bones about the new policy toward immigration, “The number of foreigners coming to the country makes a difference,” Hvilshøj says, “There is an inverse correlation between how many come here and how well we can receive the foreigners that come.” And on Muslim immigrants needing to demonstrate a willingness to blend in, “In my view, Denmark should be a country with room for different cultures and religions. Some values, however, are more important than others. We refuse to question democracy, equal rights, and freedom of speech.”

Hvilshoj has paid a price for her show of backbone. Perhaps to test her resolve, the leading radical imam in Denmark, Ahmed Abdel Rahman Abu Laban, demanded that the government pay blood money to the family of a Muslim who was murdered in a suburb of Copenhagen, stating that the family’s thirst for revenge could be thwarted for money. When Hvilshoj dismissed his demand, he argued that in Muslim culture the payment of retribution money was common, to which Hvilshoj replied that what is done in a Muslim country is not necessarily what is done in Denmark. The Muslim reply came soon after: her house was torched while she, her husband and children slept. All managed to escape unharmed, but she and her family were moved to a secret location and she and other ministers were assigned bodyguards for the first time - in a country where such murderous violence was once so scarce.

Her government has slid to the right, and her borders have tightened. Many believe that what happens in the next decade will determine whether Denmark survives as a bastion of good living, humane thinking and social responsibility, or whether it becomes a nation at civil war with supporters of Sharia law. And meanwhile, Americans clamor for stricter immigration policies, and demand an end to state welfare programs that allow many immigrants to live on the public dole. As we in America look at the enclaves of Muslims amongst us, and see those who enter our shores too easily, dare live on our taxes, yet refuse to embrace our culture, respect our traditions, participate in our legal system, obey our laws, speak our language, appreciate our history . . . we would do well to look to Denmark, and say a prayer for her future and for our own.

FamilySecurityMatters.org contributing editor Susan MacAllen writes a political blog, askew.blogharbor.com, and has written on an extensive array of subjects for over 20 years. She has lived overseas and been intimately involved in the French culture since the Muslim immigrant population emerged in the south of France.

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Inconvenient truth..........


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:51 pm
 


Nothing like some good old fashioned xenophobic fear mongering to put everyone in the Christmas spirit.


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its true, we should follow denmarks example and get stricter with our immigration process too before this happens to us


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Delwin Delwin:
Nothing like some good old fashioned xenophobic fear mongering to put everyone in the Christmas spirit.



How dare you use that 'censored word" Christmas?

Dont you want to be inclusive? Have you no couth?

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Choir drops 'Christmas' from carol
Teachers' Decision; Children to sing: 'Soon it will be festive day'

Tony Lofaro, CanWest News Service
Published: Wednesday, December 19, 2007


Darren Stone/ Victoria Times Colonist
"Ring-a-ling, hear them sing; Soon it will be festive day"

OTTAWA -- One of the more popular Christmas songs is getting a slight retooling by an Ottawa elementary school choir so as not to offend any students.

The teachers leading the Elmdale Public School choir -- made up of Grade 2 and 3 students -- have dropped the word Christmas from Silver Bells and replaced it with the word "festive."

So, when the choir performs the song tomorrow at a singalong assembly, instead of singing the line "soon it will be Christmas day" they will say "soon it will be a festive day."

This bit of revisionist tinkering of a favourite Christmas tune is not sitting well with one parent whose eight-year-old daughter is in the school choir.

"I think it is a silly thing to do," said Betty Clark, about the decision by the choir directors to change the song's lyrics.

She said it's a "shame" the lyric to a traditional Christmas song sung by many people at this time of year was changed to take on a more generic tone.

"It's a sad comment on the state of society today that we do this kind of thing," she said.

Although she said the altering of the lyric was troubling, Ms. Clark has decided not to pull her daughter out of the concert.

"My daughter loves the choir," she said.

Silver Bells is one of four Christmas songs being performed by the choir of 70 students, although it's the only song that has been altered, said principal Paula Marinigh.

The other songs in the musical program are Candles of Hanukkah, Candles of Christmas; Pere Noel and It's Christmas generally reflect the feelings about the holiday season, as well as the themes of Hanukkah and Christmas, she said.

"The choir teachers are trying to be as inclusive as they can be because not everybody is celebrating either Christmas or Hanukkah," Ms. Marinigh said.

The initiative for the lyric change came from the teachers and was not something imposed by the school board, she said.

"They [teachers] wanted to have a song that emphasized the holiday spirit, so they just changed the Silver Bells song to reflect a more generic flavour."

She said she supports the teachers' decision to alter the song, saying their intent in this case was not a problem.

"The idea in public schools is that everybody feels welcome and has a sense of comfort with the celebrations. I think it's being sensitive to not only the students in the choir, but also to the general population," she said.

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I think this article is a very good sample of xenophobic fear mongering that is unfortunately becoming common place in our society these days. To even attempt to compare Denmark’s naïve immigration policy to that of Canada or the United States is absurd. Muslim immigrants have been coming to North America for a lot longer then those immigrating to Denmark. Which make me wonder, why is it that Denmark is having such an issue with integrating their Muslim population while we have not? At least not to the extent that the Danes have. I think there are number of reasons.

For one, as stated in the article, the Danes offered welfare, free housing and transportation to those who would be willing to move to Denmark. What class of people regardless of religion or culture are you going to attract when you are offering to basically baby-sit them for the rest of their lives? Have you seen some of the welfare cases in Canada? Spending welfare checks on booze, cigarettes and lottery tickets. Not exactly your highest class of people. Denmark’s policies themselves attracted what usually amounted to unemployed, uneducated, lazy immigrants not looking to come to Denmark to build a new life through hard work and dedication, but instead looking for a hand out.

North American immigration policies for the most part are directed at a more educated class of immigrants. You may have to drive a cab or work at a gas station when you come here but you better have some kind of professional degree or educational background. To compare our hardworking immigrants to the lazy-asses that are collecting welfare cheques in Denmark is beyond insulting.

Stop comparing apples and oranges. We will not have integration problems to that extent here. As much as some Canadian pundits would like you to think otherwise, the vaste majority of Canadian Muslims are proud to be and have integrated into Canadian society quite comfortably.

btw: My mother-in-laws family is from Denmark and my wife went to school there. I am speaking from some experience.

Thanks for posting the article Joe. It is a good talking peice.

Sam


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Good post Silent Sam. I live in Toronto, and in my teenage years, I have worked in factories along side engineers from Pakistan and India who had given up comfortable lifestyles in their own countries to come here and work 60 hours a week for $8 an hour.This is all because our government promised them the sky before they got here and then because of an incompatibility of certification, they were forced to accept the most menial jobs our society has to offer.

Most people who come here do so for a dream at a better life. Many of the hardest working people I know are from different countries.

From my experience, the laziest people I've met are young caucasians who were born here and had everything handed to them from their mommy and daddy.They have no concept of the value of a dollar and don't appreciate anything our society has to offer. If we are going after lazy people, I say we go after them first.


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You may have to drive a cab or work at a gas station when you come here but you better have some kind of professional degree or educational background. To compare our hardworking immigrants to the lazy-asses that are collecting welfare cheques in Denmark is beyond insulting.


Generalization again.

The majority is immigrating under the skilled worker class, yes, but 25 % of immigrants is immigrating because they are sponsored by family. And that is, imo, a problem. Because you create lazy asses with that...
They don't speak English, so they can hardly work, and they will get fed by their family...
I know Europe has its own problems, and I know too the problems in Europe will never be the same as North America will have them, but don't be blind, and open your eyes for the family class-visa. They are the ones that make the trouble. They have the easy way in.

http://www.bcstats.gov.bc.ca/pubs/immig/imm063sf.pdf


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I agree Brenda.

We have a lot of older family members coming to Canada and using services never paid for by tax dollars such as OHIP.

Really if we allow older family members to immigrate they should pay for their own health care.

Our infrastructure, especially hospitals, GP's etc is at breaking point. Yet we have recent arrivals, some very old and sick, people who have never paid a cent in Canadian taxes, getting the benefit of those of us who pay through the nose for 'free' health care.

I fail to see the advantage of us allowing more people to come in and over-burden our health care system and welfare.
Immigration should be on our terms, not the immigrants. We need people coming here who can to add or enhance our country.

The only people getting it 'free' are the free loaders who have never contributed to Canadian society.
Since good old Dalton McGuinty got in and jacked up the 'health-care premium', I have way less money to spend on my family, why should he spend my taxes on somebody who has never worked a day of their life in Canada?

Bring on the immigrants but if we are supposed to pay for their old granny's hip replacement then we should rethink their entry.


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The big difference between Denmark and Canada is that Canada has been over run by Immigrants since before its' birth. We are still here and doing fine, beyond fine even. Xenophobic Canadians are a sad lot whose only worthiness as Canadians is their Birthright.


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The real issue is that of whether or not fundamentalist islam is compatible with the very same liberal values that allow fundamentalist islam to exist in the West.

The dilemma of the Western liberal in confronting the reality of fundamentlist islam is that while it is fashionable to speak of tolerance and diversity and to make oneself appear 'enlightened' by saying that this guy...

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... is just as acceptable to you as a neighbor as anyone else is, the truth is that you'd be on the first bus out of town were this guy to show up at your front door.

Ultimately, liberals will have to face the fact that fundamentalist muslims like you even less than conservatives do.

The only question that remains is that of how many of you must be raped and/or murdered before coming to this realization.


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Nothing to be worried about.


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Now that he has also embraced his children's views about the environment, his growth and development toward maturity has skyrocketed!


I wasn't aware that Harper's kids had expressed an opinion on the environment,

In Bali he successfully applied a political solution to a political problem and you howled hysterically about that......while he had the support of the majority of the world's population.


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