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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:40 am
 


Title: The verdict on sentencing circles - Opinion
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: ridenrain
Date: 2009-02-19 06:21:15
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"a life sentence of spiritual guidance and healing"

Im all for this sentence, to be carried out in a federal institution, for 10 years with the option of parole in 7 years. With the added bonus that if this piece of shit is seen within 50m of alcohol he will spend 6 months in jail to undergo alcohol abuse counselling.


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I'm thinking of more traditional, holistic methods.. like burying him up to his neck for a few days in the middle of Sask. in summer.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:46 am
 


On a side note, this couldn't possibly be an opinion piece from the NP posted by ridenrain, cause he NEVER does that....


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:03 am
 


News is where you find it and I haven't seen this in the news yet.
If you find it, feel free to post it.
Besides, as a staunch defender of the CBC, I'm sure you know all about editorial bias.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:55 am
 


What makes us Canadians think we have any right to judge Natives by our laws (and our punishments) anyway? I don't see us letting others force us to obey their laws.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:19 am
 


First off Derby that definition is racist and secondly if you give one group special treatment then by default you must yield special treatment to other groups or it becomes discrimination.

Yes, I said it discrimination is a two way street. If you allow this, then you should allow other groups individual sentencing / justice rights.

And sorry, I don't buy the whole we were here first argument anymore, because they weren't. They might have preceded the Europeans..so? We don't live in the stone age and we don't fight wars on horseback anymore.

So what gives us a right? because they live HERE, and not somewhere else. That's why.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:42 am
 


DerbyX wrote:
What makes us Canadians think we have any right to judge Natives by our laws (and our punishments) anyway? I don't see us letting others force us to obey their laws.


Because they're in Canada, supposedly still under our jurisdiction. If this guy killed two non-Native children, should he still be placed under this "sentencing circle"?


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:48 am
 


DerbyX wrote:
What makes us Canadians think we have any right to judge Natives by our laws (and our punishments) anyway? I don't see us letting others force us to obey their laws.


Oh, I don't know Americans are doing that to us all the time as in their trade embargos with Cuba, instituting the same copyright restrictions, border crossing identification, etc.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:15 pm
 


meh. To truly judge Sentencing Circles, requires Data and not Emotion.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:19 pm
 


True... But how do sentencing circles sentence?
"a life time of healing"
"he is such a good father"
"thinking of his kids for the rest of his life is punishment enough"
all sound like emotions to me...





PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:25 pm
 


Fucking cocksucker bastard I hope he kills himself or someone does it for him. Waste of fucking skin. Fuck.


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Donny_Brasco wrote:
Fucking cocksucker bastard I hope he kills himself or someone does it for him. Waste of fucking skin. Fuck.

NOT emotional, Donny :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:18 pm
 


uwish wrote:
First off Derby that definition is racist and secondly if you give one group special treatment then by default you must yield special treatment to other groups or it becomes discrimination.

Yes, I said it discrimination is a two way street. If you allow this, then you should allow other groups individual sentencing / justice rights.

And sorry, I don't buy the whole we were here first argument anymore, because they weren't. They might have preceded the Europeans..so? We don't live in the stone age and we don't fight wars on horseback anymore.

So what gives us a right? because they live HERE, and not somewhere else. That's why.


Racist? I don't think so. I see it as allowing the Natives the right to live according to their laws on their lands.

Don't hand me that nonsense us westerners are recently touting that they just came here earlier. By that nonsense anybody can invade anywhere and proclaim they simply arrived a little bit later.

OUR laws should not be as binding to them as it is to us. That is entirely the reason why we have set up reserves under Native jurisdiction.

THEY did not have a choice in Canada other then treaties that we more often then not ignore. They have only recently been able to have even a say in how things are governed and if the Natives decide that sentencing circles are apart of their tradition to be upheld legally then its for them to decide.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:19 pm
 


commanderkai wrote:
DerbyX wrote:
What makes us Canadians think we have any right to judge Natives by our laws (and our punishments) anyway? I don't see us letting others force us to obey their laws.


Because they're in Canada, supposedly still under our jurisdiction. If this guy killed two non-Native children, should he still be placed under this "sentencing circle"?


No, they are on Native reserves which by legal treaty makes it their land. Thats the key. It did not happen in downtown Winnipeg.


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